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Post by markalp » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:53 pm

In Lodon I would say a good 50-60% of the roads are now 20mph with speeds bumps, other roads feeding into and out of london have the avg speed camers A40/North Circular etc.. Then we have the road narrowing schemes that are going on EVERYEHERE, that has caused gridlock most days, only they know how turning the embankment into 1 lane each way instead of 2 would "Improve" traffic flow (seriously that was actually said!!)

Now they have created the gridlock which obviously increases polultion they impliment the Toxic charge for any cars built before 2006, again this is well thought out because we all know that cars like (2005) fiesta/micra/etc produce vast amount of toxic fumes that are killing the kids (notice the use of the emotive "kids" word there :) )

I better stop now or I will get into a real rant about the way this city is run (or being ruined).....
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Post by bluespit » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:06 pm

mmm-five wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:24 pm
bluespit wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:35 pmWhat poles? Might nip up there this afternoon to check it out!
Do you need some part-worns and a gallon of petrol :P
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Stupid council to put an average speed trap with traffic lights in the middle.

Should have saved their cash and filled in some potholes instead. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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Post by Grumpyowl » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:11 pm

pvr wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:20 am I have never seen an average speed camera in 30 limits though, always at 40 - 50 only. Drives me mad.

You've obviously not driven through Nottingham PVR

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Post by firebobby » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:29 pm

Wish they would put some in our village, slow some of the toe rag drivers down. :roll:
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Post by pvr » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:01 pm

Grumpyowl wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:11 pm
pvr wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:20 am I have never seen an average speed camera in 30 limits though, always at 40 - 50 only. Drives me mad.

You've obviously not driven through Nottingham PVR
Nope - never been there :lol:

I am sure they will spread like wildfire all over the country.
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Post by maxman » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:33 pm

bluespit wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:06 pm
mmm-five wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:24 pm
bluespit wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:35 pmWhat poles? Might nip up there this afternoon to check it out!
Do you need some part-worns and a gallon of petrol :P
Nipped up in the stag. First pole being fitted just after Rhydtalog. Turned right at Llandegla and didn't see another pole (or camera) so I guess if theres one at the roundabout that'll be the pair.

Stupid council to put an average speed trap with traffic lights in the middle.

Should have saved their cash and filled in some potholes instead. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
There are a few more heading towards the A5 at Corwen.

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Post by Nanu » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:40 pm

I visited a friend in Hull recently and came across average speed cameras on the road between Bishop Burton and York. Its a very long stretch of road and only a camera at each end with limit of 50mph. The cameras are so far apart it's easy to forget that it's an average speed zone. Thank god for cruise control
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Post by Mr Tidy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:57 pm

Welcome to Revenue Generation 21st Century Style OP. :)

I first encountered them on the A1 in Scotland in 2008. I went past the first one somewhat above the N/S/L single carriageway limit - but then spotted a lovely looking tea-room, so decided to spoil Mrs Tidy with afternoon tea! Better idea than crawling for a couple of miles. :lol:

But now they are popping up everywhere - cruise control is your friend!
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Post by mmm-five » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:45 pm

I've been stuck with average speed cameras on the M6 for 10 years - and cruise is no use as you can't keep to a constant speed anyway due to trucks pulling out to overtake cars doing and indicated 45mph in lane 1, and then L2 cars pulling into L3 and doing 50mph indicated, making me have to slow down from an indicated 55mph (GPS 50mph).

I worked out that those road works have cost me about £7k in lost billing hours :headbang:
  • You're not losing only 20mph as you were never doing 70mph in the first place (more like 80-85mph), and you're averaging less than 50mph now.
  • So that 20 miles takes you 27 minutes instead of 15 minutes.
  • That's each way, which equates to about £15 each week (luckily I only usually do the trip once a week) x 44 weeks x 10 years = £6600
Although the fuel saving may offset some/all of that :P
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Post by Mr Tidy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:12 pm

mmm-five wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:45 pm I've been stuck with average speed cameras on the M6 for 10 years - and cruise is no use as you can't keep to a constant speed anyway due to trucks pulling out to overtake cars doing and indicated 45mph in lane 1, and then L2 cars pulling into L3 and doing 50mph indicated, making me have to slow down from an indicated 55mph (GPS 50mph).

I worked out that those road works have cost me about £7k in lost billing hours
You're not losing only 20mph as you were never doing 70mph in the first place (more like 80-85mph), and you're averaging less than 50mph now.
So that 20 miles takes you 27 minutes instead of 15 minutes.
That's each way, which equates to about £15 each week (luckily I only usually do the trip once a week) x 44 weeks x 10 years = £6600
Although the fuel saving may offset some/all of that
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Post by Nictrix » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:20 am

We have had average speed cameras on the A77 since about 2006.
I still don't think that the majority of people understand how they work as people still fly up the road and slow when passing the cameras.
Also never heard of anybody being done for speeding in an average speed camera zone.
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Post by firebobby » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:00 pm

Nictrix wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:20 am We have had average speed cameras on the A77 since about 2006.
I still don't think that the majority of people understand how they work as people still fly up the road and slow when passing the cameras.
Also never heard of anybody being done for speeding in an average speed camera zone.
A guy at work got done on the M4 near Reading, he was doing 75 in the 50 zone. :|
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Post by Lazza » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:15 am

Here’s an interesting thought... speed cameras probe that speeding isn’t really an offence. The real offence is getting caught! Hear me out!
If you were being followed by a police car, speeding over a fair stretch of road, when they do pull you over you will get a single speeding ticket (ignoring any Dangerous Driving / Due Care & Attention they might throw at you) but if there were 3 cameras on that stretch, you would get 3 tickets. Even if you could prove that the timing of those 3 tickets prove that you only exceeded the speed limit once, you get a ticket for each time you are caught!

This isn’t meant to actually mean anything meaningful, just thought it was interesting :thumbsup:
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Post by mmm-five » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:09 am

Lazza wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:15 am Here’s an interesting thought... speed cameras probe that speeding isn’t really an offence. The real offence is getting caught! Hear me out!
If you were being followed by a police car, speeding over a fair stretch of road, when they do pull you over you will get a single speeding ticket (ignoring any Dangerous Driving / Due Care & Attention they might throw at you) but if there were 3 cameras on that stretch, you would get 3 tickets. Even if you could prove that the timing of those 3 tickets prove that you only exceeded the speed limit once, you get a ticket for each time you are caught!

This isn’t meant to actually mean anything meaningful, just thought it was interesting :thumbsup:
Whilst you may get a ticket for each one...you can ask to have them all treated as the same offence.

Of course 3 tickets over the course of a 10 mile average speed camera zone is one thing, but 3 tickets over the course of a 200 mile Welsh/Scottish hoon might be another :driving:
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Post by firebobby » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:19 am

I was on the M4 last night in my van which has a reverse camera. I noticed when I passed the average cameras, with the monitor switched on, I could see the beams hitting the road. Still amazed how many vehicles were passing me at high speed :roll:
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