M market watch

[Mr Tidy]

Yes, I must admit to having Z4 blinkers on, so hadn't really appreciated the whole market was on a down. Thing is, how low will it go?

Where's my crystal ball gone...

Please let me know if you find it!

[buzyg]

Must be the cheapest Imola car i have seen.
Very poor ad and no history mentioned.
£11995

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2006-BMW-Z4M ... -249342514

I contacted the seller about this one and basically there is no service history, other than what BMW may have carried out and can verify (at the buyer's effort). When you also consider the poor ad description and the lack of effort to clean the interior before taking photos, I think he'll really struggle to sell that at anything over £10k.

I know I won't be popular with owners of ///Ms but cars just don't seem to be selling and I think the simple answer is that prices are too high.

The Interlagos coupe mentioned higher up this page only sold once it was drastically reduced in price. It had been sat at the "market" price for months leading up to that.

There are a couple of ads on the forum at the moment that in my opinion are asking easily £1-2k more than is reasonable.

But then what do I know

Classic/modern classic markets are cyclical. There always seem to highs and lows, depending on actual or imagined prevailing economic conditions. Z4M's dropped off the book, bottomed out, recovered and seem to be stagnating at the moment.
As has been said, it's not a Z4M thing but a market which is stalling due to people's fears about the future.
Anyway, if my Z4m has dropped a couple of grand but R8's are £10k down that's fine with me.

Never mind the R8. Chatting to a PH freind, over a bacon bap on Saturday, after our run out. He was looking to sell his very tidy MP4 12C for 70k.

[Z4M-2006]

It's the whole car market right now.

Even the Porsche market has become more sensible.

Unbelievably so which is good news for buyers but obviously not sellers .
I'm being increasingly drawn to the 981Cayman so 2013 onwards , started looking last Autumn & so so glad i held off as the drop on those has been swift over the 9 months ive scoped them .
To get perspective 2013/2014 2 owner cars circa 35k/50k Autumns 2018 were £32k/£33k private , , , same cars now are sat for sale months on end at £25k/£27k & right now i'm not sure they have bottomed out so my watch & wait will continue a while longer .
Dropping almost £1k a month is scary quick for a kudos model Porsche

Think you might have your pricing a bit out there fella

[drummachine]

It's the whole car market right now.

Even the Porsche market has become more sensible.

Unbelievably so which is good news for buyers but obviously not sellers .
I'm being increasingly drawn to the 981Cayman so 2013 onwards , started looking last Autumn & so so glad i held off as the drop on those has been swift over the 9 months ive scoped them .
To get perspective 2013/2014 2 owner cars circa 35k/50k Autumns 2018 were £32k/£33k private , , , same cars now are sat for sale months on end at £25k/£27k & right now i'm not sure they have bottomed out so my watch & wait will continue a while longer .
Dropping almost £1k a month is scary quick for a kudos model Porsche

Think you might have your pricing a bit out there fella

I bought a Cayman 981 non S 2014 for £26k last week. Sold it straight on to Porsche and they have listed it at £37k. Yikes!

[mr wilks]

It's the whole car market right now.

Even the Porsche market has become more sensible.

Unbelievably so which is good news for buyers but obviously not sellers .
I'm being increasingly drawn to the 981Cayman so 2013 onwards , started looking last Autumn & so so glad i held off as the drop on those has been swift over the 9 months ive scoped them .
To get perspective 2013/2014 2 owner cars circa 35k/50k Autumns 2018 were £32k/£33k private , , , same cars now are sat for sale months on end at £25k/£27k & right now i'm not sure they have bottomed out so my watch & wait will continue a while longer .
Dropping almost £1k a month is scary quick for a kudos model Porsche

Think you might have your pricing a bit out there fella

How so

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... dal=photos

6 - 8 months ago these would have been £32k/£33k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... dal=photos

[Z4M-2006]

Unbelievably so which is good news for buyers but obviously not sellers .
I'm being increasingly drawn to the 981Cayman so 2013 onwards , started looking last Autumn & so so glad i held off as the drop on those has been swift over the 9 months ive scoped them .
To get perspective 2013/2014 2 owner cars circa 35k/50k Autumns 2018 were £32k/£33k private , , , same cars now are sat for sale months on end at £25k/£27k & right now i'm not sure they have bottomed out so my watch & wait will continue a while longer .
Dropping almost £1k a month is scary quick for a kudos model Porsche

Think you might have your pricing a bit out there fella

How so

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... dal=photos

6 - 8 months ago these would have been £32k/£33k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... dal=photos

s**t spec and miley....

The £33-£35k cars are top spec with low miles and impeccable history,many 14 plates with 20k-30k miles and decent spec and wheels are still £32k-£34k..

When you get into the "must haves" like 20" wheels,sports exhaust and full sport leather,OPC warranty" then the prices escalate and the choice narrows.
Discount red and silver cars as they bring less money,along with a weird brown/grey that porsche do that is hard to sell.


When i bought mine last year as a 14 plate,its was a one owner car with good spec,20" wheels,full leather,Full dealer history and 13 months OPC warranty..Just had large 4 yr service and fresh rubber all round.

I paid nothing like £32k-£33k....


The cheap ones are cheap for a reason... They are like buying an SE spec Z4.....Why would ya!!

[Z4M-2006]

Unbelievably so which is good news for buyers but obviously not sellers .
I'm being increasingly drawn to the 981Cayman so 2013 onwards , started looking last Autumn & so so glad i held off as the drop on those has been swift over the 9 months ive scoped them .
To get perspective 2013/2014 2 owner cars circa 35k/50k Autumns 2018 were £32k/£33k private , , , same cars now are sat for sale months on end at £25k/£27k & right now i'm not sure they have bottomed out so my watch & wait will continue a while longer .
Dropping almost £1k a month is scary quick for a kudos model Porsche

Think you might have your pricing a bit out there fella

I bought a Cayman 981 non S 2014 for £26k last week. Sold it straight on to Porsche and they have listed it at £37k. Yikes!

Did you buy to sell it right on ?

How much did Porsche give you for it ?

[drummachine]

Think you might have your pricing a bit out there fella

I bought a Cayman 981 non S 2014 for £26k last week. Sold it straight on to Porsche and they have listed it at £37k. Yikes!

Did you buy to sell it right on ?

How much did Porsche give you for it ?

I made a very small profit on it but in Porsche' defence i know what their prep bills are so whereas i could have spent £500 to get it perfect they are having to spend £5k with checks, 2 year warranty, VAT etc.

Lovely car though and great to drive - only reservation was the non S just inst very fast - Z4M is a lot quicker. I've driven the S around Europe and its certainly worth the extra.

[tomscott]

The cayman is more poised but in standard non S form I would pass.

Very hard to find a well optioned car for the money quoted here. The additional options like PSE really make these cars an experience. Completely changes the character. Have fun adding a real one or a third party £££ especially in a switchable form.

Completely disagree with the guards red comment one of the most sought after colours and you rarely see them for sale. 90% of cars for sale are black silver or white yet the best colours are the more vibrant. Would love a GR 997.2 but very rare indeed.

[mr wilks]

All my figures are on the non S & in the time I've been viewing its the high spec high priced S models that are the ones stood standing on forecourts for months.
It's personal choice , there's no way on earth I'd ever consider a convertible 911 but some like them.

The mid spec 2.7s once around £26k do seem to sell so that would indicate their market value to me.
The PSE is easily reproduced for a few hundred pounds so that isn't a deal breaker to me
I do agree on the red though., a stand out colour I'd choose over white but in the 981 silver seems to show its design off best , black on the other hand is hard to distinguish it from the previous model unless you're a avid fan of the cars.

[Z4M-2006]

The figures stack up

Look at the cheapest 981’s around and the are predominantly red
That’s a fact... don’t get me wrong I love a red car but that doesn’t alter the facts ..

Silver just looks gash imho...


No way do porsche have £5k in prep on second hand Cars , a 2 year warranty is only £1200 on a cayman.. the prep is nearly non existent...it will have the Porsche insp check and a wash and hoover ..

Go into your local dealership and see the prep on cars that are £70-£100k

It’s ok poo pooing the non S version of the car, they are far from slow
Around 5 secs to 60 and nearly 170mph flat out is no slug

Yes of course the “S” is better, more power always is imho but another £8-£10k ???
If you have the money then fine, but then why not buy a GTS, but then why not buy a GT4

[tomscott]

You know best

You've been arguing with me for years about 997s... like why take the risk yet you've bought one now so...

BTW the 2.7 is 5.9 to 60 in manual form. 5.7 in PDK so its not what I would call quick the average fast hatch would be all over it for half the money.

Main issue with the 2.7 is where it makes power, it can feel lethargic as the torque doesn't come until half way through the rev range making is a pain to drive casually or day to day.

[john-e89]

Sales guy at Porsche Nottingham warned me off red as they are the hardest colour to move on, he has hell trying to sell red Porsche’s. I was 50/50 on red or Agate grey so no mither fortunately but Im glad he was honest.

[tomscott]

Again suppose it depends, my dads 997 S in GR sold before it hit the forecourt. It only had 20k on it and fully loaded tho.

Suppose you always have that Ferrari Red syndrome with any other sports car in red.

[john-e89]

No idea why tbh, they look awesome in Guards red, Carmine not so much.