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Post by Pondrew » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:50 pm

Smartbear wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:18 pm Yep, i think they’ve increased the tax on my motorbike as well - thieving barstewards
You gonna go for the £1.84 a month option Rob, just to help with cash flow?? :rofl:
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Post by Ed Doe » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:01 pm

markplant wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:35 pm Then start putting taxes on electric vehicles
This will happen. Look at how much of a hit they're gonna take on fuel duty as well as Vehicle Excise Duty. For those needing to drive a leccy car, make hay whilst the sun shines, cause free VED ain't gonna last long!
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Post by abar121 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:03 pm

Smartbear wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:17 pm
abar121 wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:26 pm
Smartbear wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:53 pm Is that an electric bike?
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Post by Pondrew » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:04 pm

I did a quick calculation, just for fun.
Based on 5,000 miles a year, with unleaded being £1.30 per litre and an M doing an average of 25mpg; it now costs you 35.6p per mile just in fuel and road tax. That's high :o
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Post by Ole gits rule » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:05 pm

Nictrix wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:28 pm Its the only way to make everybody shift into electric vehicles, price petrol/diesel vehicles off the road. :(
Not going to happen, how are people who spend a coupe of K on a used car going to afford an electric vehicle and by the time its at a price point they can afford or want to pay the range will be about 3 miles
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Post by Smartbear » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:10 pm

Ole gits rule wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:05 pm
Nictrix wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:28 pm Its the only way to make everybody shift into electric vehicles, price petrol/diesel vehicles off the road. :(
Not going to happen, how are people who spend a coupe of K on a used car going to afford an electric vehicle and by the time its at a price point they can afford or want to pay the range will be about 3 miles
The dealers will offer 25year mortgages on easy terms for electric vehicles, ensuring everyone can sign up :o
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Post by Ole gits rule » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:13 pm

Its the only way to make everybody shift into electric vehicles, price petrol/diesel vehicles off the road. :(
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Not going to happen, how are people who spend a coupe of K on a used car going to afford an electric vehicle and by the time its at a price point they can afford or want to pay the range will be about 3 miles
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The dealers will offer 25year mortgages on easy terms for electric vehicles, ensuring everyone can sign up :o
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They may well offer long term leases but again there will be. group of people who will not want the monthly financial commitment - its going to be a balancing act between taxing fuel / VRFL and electric as a lot of people could lose their mobility - how will kids manage when they have to pay £400 to lease a car and £800 a month to insure it :|
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Post by Zed Baron » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:39 pm

Yes push everyone to electric, drive up the expenditure on those who haven't made the shift until it becomes uneconomically viable to own. Remember low emissions and 0% RFL and everyone else saw their RFL rise... then they discovered they weren't making enough money through taxes, so change in the scheme. Same will happen with electric cars, so how about those without off road parking, flats etc. Most homes have at least two cars now its going to be crazy :soapbox:
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Post by Pondrew » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:48 pm

Smartbear wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:10 pm The dealers will offer 25year mortgages on easy terms for electric vehicles, ensuring everyone can sign up
I can't see why they will need to TBH. The EV revolution has started and it won't stop. The more EVs are produced, the cheaper they will become; economy of scale surely?
Fully EVs have been around in small numbers for a good few years now, so the kids will be buying 5-10 year old ones for little money in a few years time. The hybrid "stop gap" will become obsolete as they will be no use to anyone in the future. They are only being produced ATM to capitalise on sales due to tax breaks.
We are at the start of a massive shift in the way we travel, it's gaining momentum and it ain't gonna stop because our Gov have committed to it and can't turn back now. It's only people like us who will complain; the younger generation won't know any different so will just go with it.
There are many clever people investing a lot of money in making this work, for profit obviously. The carbon paint seems an obvious way forward when someone can make it viable. The whole exterior of the car is a solar panel. :o

Coincidentally, I just got an email from a leasing company offering a Nissan Leaf EV for around £200 per month, about the same as an equivalent ICE model!! :o
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Post by Ole gits rule » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:59 pm

There is a shift but we have to remember that cars 6 or 7 years old will potentially have a significantly reduced range so they are not going to be worth a lot. What use is that when you have a 300 miles journey to make and range off 100 miles - unless we can go from 10% to 80% charged in 5 minutes it will take a while.

People keep saying you cant have petrol after 2030, nonsense you just cant buy petrol only, hybrids will be available as they know it is going to take 10 to 15 years to get a sensible range from a vehicle which has rapid charge capability and the network in place charge it when its here.

Pumping up VRFL is not about being green, its about financing the spending we have had during the pandemic IMHO
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Post by mr wilks » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:21 pm

EV will be like Betamax & VHS in the future , its simply not a viable option to think everyone in the UK could function with one , the solution needs to be something else sustainable , practical , affordable ( to the masses) & actually works .
Besides the problem of the amount of power needed to charge them all exactly how would it work on terraced roads where there are no designated spaces for homeowners ? extension reels out of bedroom window down the road & around the corner to where you managed to park :D
There was a radio interview last week with the person designated to overseeing the changeover from fossil fuels to electric between now & 2030 , they were asked how many charge points per day were being installed nationally :? errrr no answer
Then told they needed to be doing 700 per day every day for the next 9 yrs & the silence was deafening :D
Its not about whats environmentally right , its about practicality & feasibility , both points that the majority of those pushing EVs seem to have forgotten about .
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Post by Ole gits rule » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:37 pm

mr wilks wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:21 pm EV will be like Betamax & VHS in the future , its simply not a viable option to think everyone in the UK could function with one , the solution needs to be something else sustainable , practical , affordable ( to the masses) & actually works .
Besides the problem of the amount of power needed to charge them all exactly how would it work on terraced roads where there are no designated spaces for homeowners ? extension reels out of bedroom window down the road & around the corner to where you managed to park :D
There was a radio interview last week with the person designated to overseeing the changeover from fossil fuels to electric between now & 2030 , they were asked how many charge points per day were being installed nationally :? errrr no answer
Then told they needed to be doing 700 per day every day for the next 9 yrs & the silence was deafening :D
Its not about whats environmentally right , its about practicality & feasibility , both points that the majority of those pushing EVs seem to have forgotten about .
Very valid points there sir, we are just not ready for this'd again the blinked mob pushing electric seem to ignore the effect of making the batteries, shipping them around the world and then disposing of them never mind about how we actually produce the power.

Electric will never fully take over.
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Post by Pondrew » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:44 pm

All the above comments (including mine TBH) are based on the current technology and infrastructure, or lack of. The 2030 date has been put out there by the Gov to send a message to the boffins that they are serious about this, so invest at little risk and the sooner the better. The Gov are not going to do anything apart from facilitate industry to get it done with incentives and carrots of big profits.
Governments do the headlines, business does the nuts and bolts. I don't believe for one minute that 2030 is achievable, but it's sending a message. In 2030 Boris and his cronies will be a sideline in history and they all know that.

Now might be a good time to start buying EDF or EON shares :D
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Post by Mr Tidy » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:44 am

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Pondrew wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:44 pm Now might be a good time to start buying EDF or EON shares
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Post by Zed Baron » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:19 am

Pondrew wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:44 pm I don't believe for one minute that 2030 is achievable, but it's sending a message. In 2030 Boris and his cronies will be a sideline in history and they all know that.
Well if they do the bosses at Jaguar are going to look a wee bit silly as they have committed the company to all electric in 2025. :scratchhead:
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