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Z4m gt3rs chase (lost obvs) track
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TomK said:No disrespect but isn't a 1:15 a bit casual for a car of that calibre round there? I've not driven it myself but a quick google suggests a mid 1:13 for a csl which I would consider my car to be on a par with.. both with probably more steering inputs!Babw said:
Either way, I'm not really looking for maximum efficiency in my cars these days, and I know the car is never going to be the fastest. I'm quite happy being presented with a challengeIt's fast enough for me.
None taken and a 987.2 full fat S on a same calibre as a CSL around a track? News to me.
On my first time ever on track in this completely unmodified road car (I've done less than 10 trackdays)) in the damp to get within a second and a half on a less than 90 second track shows Porsche is well ahead of dynamics on track compared to a BMW, approachable limits doesn't mean it's boring though.
I’m 100% sure I would have been faster with MP4S on this particular day than Cup2’s. It was wet, greasy and cold. I would expect a CSL to be considerably faster than an off the belt full road spec offering from Porsche but the fact it isn’t is a testament to Porsche ethos and inherent ground up design to be a well balanced sports car; more so than a BMW which lets be honest tends to be more of an on paper spec tick box exercise to sell as many cars as possible.
I was trying to be as accurate as possible with my driving, my response originally was to show that the Porsche has a level of intuitive balance and response which no modern BMW I’ve driven has. (I have owned E46 M3, E60 M5, 550i, 130i, Z4 3.0i and now Z4M).
I still have my Z4M because I think for a road car it’s entertaining as it’s unintuitive, it does things you don’t expect to keep you on your toes but trying to drive fast it becomes frustrating and tiring.
IMO.
I was trying to be as accurate as possible with my driving, my response originally was to show that the Porsche has a level of intuitive balance and response which no modern BMW I’ve driven has. (I have owned E46 M3, E60 M5, 550i, 130i, Z4 3.0i and now Z4M).
I still have my Z4M because I think for a road car it’s entertaining as it’s unintuitive, it does things you don’t expect to keep you on your toes but trying to drive fast it becomes frustrating and tiring.
IMO.
Maybe time to consider something for track only? There are many many great options. Road/track will always be a compromise. Easiest option would be something like a Radical, more difficult ones, something like a last gen race car, however with that come the bills. I myself would love to put myself into a Renault RS01, but still a little steep. Might wait another couple of years.. in the meantime my current project should keep me occupied. It's going to be a hand full. 
Edit: out of note, I would not expect a E46 M3 CSL to be faster around a track that any recent offering from P, including the Cayman or the Carrera options) in fact, the CSL, even though a very collectable car, isn't that fast, easy enough to outpace a csl in a slightly modded E46 M3. (Unless your not talking about a E46 M3 CSL and then I have no idea what I am in about lol)
Edit: out of note, I would not expect a E46 M3 CSL to be faster around a track that any recent offering from P, including the Cayman or the Carrera options) in fact, the CSL, even though a very collectable car, isn't that fast, easy enough to outpace a csl in a slightly modded E46 M3. (Unless your not talking about a E46 M3 CSL and then I have no idea what I am in about lol)
I sorely miss my Fiat Coupe actually, it was a great comfy GT for trips to Italy etc but at the same time setting PB's on The Ring on the way home. Something my Z4MC cannot do well, either of those things.
All I need, really. A Giulia Q maybe... :driving: Altho I might be stranded on the roadside occasionally.. :roll:
All I need, really. A Giulia Q maybe... :driving: Altho I might be stranded on the roadside occasionally.. :roll:
Argenta said:
Funnily enough, it’s those exact two scenarios where I find myself impressed by its breadth of abilities :lol:
It’s not a cosseting GT nor is it a focused track car but I find it perfectly comfortable and sufficiently frugal on the longer trips yet capable enough to turn out a half decent lap of the ring.
Of course, once you push these disciplines to their limits you’ll find its shortcomings but as a standard, ‘do it all’ sports car I think it’s pretty well judged.