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Post by R60BBA » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:13 am

dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:44 am
ph001 wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:36 am
dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:53 am The throttle response is nice and sharp on these cars unlike the E46 M3 which felt unresponsive without the sport button on.
..don't get this at all, it's the same S54 engine but the exhaust is slightly more optimised on the E46. It's darn near instant, not sure how you could ever get much better without a much lightened flywheel (and the associated stalling when setting off issues).
All the sport button is doing is adjusting the throttle map as I’m sure you’re aware. What I mean is that on the M3 the default setting means there is a lot of travel on the pedal before the power kicks in. With the sport button on it brought about an instantaneous response. I don’t find that the case with the Z4M at all where the default setting feels just right to me. With the sport button pressed its almost like an on/off switch which gets wearing quickly.
Maybe you had a s**t one :rofl:
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Post by dgm » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:34 am

R60BBA wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:13 am
dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:44 am
ph001 wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:36 am ..don't get this at all, it's the same S54 engine but the exhaust is slightly more optimised on the E46. It's darn near instant, not sure how you could ever get much better without a much lightened flywheel (and the associated stalling when setting off issues).
All the sport button is doing is adjusting the throttle map as I’m sure you’re aware. What I mean is that on the M3 the default setting means there is a lot of travel on the pedal before the power kicks in. With the sport button on it brought about an instantaneous response. I don’t find that the case with the Z4M at all where the default setting feels just right to me. With the sport button pressed its almost like an on/off switch which gets wearing quickly.
Maybe you had a s**t one :rofl:
Maybe I did, more likely we all have different perceptions and preferences for the vehicle settings. I seem to have touched some E46 M3 nerves here, don’t be sensitive, I loved my M3 but it lasted 2 years as opposed to 11 years for my Z4MC. :rofl:
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Post by dgm » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:50 am

mr wilks wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:05 am
dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:44 am

All the sport button is doing is adjusting the throttle map as I’m sure you’re aware. I don’t find that the case with the Z4M at all where the default setting feels just right to me. With the sport button pressed its almost like an on/off switch which gets wearing quickly.
Just shows each of us have different views & preferences & possibly each of our cars functions slightly differently ?
In the MR I find the throttle response with sport button on sharper which for me makes for smoother & easier to pull away , i don't ever feel its tiresome unless ive just got used to it , its on before ive left the driveway , it was similar in last Si E86 ( manual ) but with current Si E86 auto i find no need to have sport button on ( unless you want to rip away from the lights :wink: ) 0-30 town driving it completely ruins the drive :( once out travelling the lanes at speed however it transforms the 262bhp auto into a sharp performer :driving:
Absolutely, we all like different set ups on our cars, that’s what it’s all about. Some say removing the CDV transforms the car whereas on the Z4M I found an almost imperceptible difference. Fitting the strut brace brought a big improvement to front end control for me whereas other dismiss it as a cosmetic exercise. 19” CSLs destroy the ride for some but for me are perfect for the car. It’s all about individual opinions. For me the Z4M the sport button should be off, on the M3 it should be on. Differently set up cars after all.
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Post by R60BBA » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:55 am

dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:34 am
R60BBA wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:13 am
dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:44 am All the sport button is doing is adjusting the throttle map as I’m sure you’re aware. What I mean is that on the M3 the default setting means there is a lot of travel on the pedal before the power kicks in. With the sport button on it brought about an instantaneous response. I don’t find that the case with the Z4M at all where the default setting feels just right to me. With the sport button pressed its almost like an on/off switch which gets wearing quickly.
Maybe you had a s**t one :rofl:
Maybe I did, more likely we all have different perceptions and preferences for the vehicle settings. I seem to have touched some E46 M3 nerves here, don’t be sensitive, I loved my M3 but it lasted 2 years as opposed to 11 years for my Z4MC. :rofl:
No nerves were touched buddy it was just a joke :thumbsup:

My car doesn’t behave like how you described your experience either!
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Post by mr wilks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:56 am

dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:50 am
mr wilks wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:05 am
dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:44 am

All the sport button is doing is adjusting the throttle map as I’m sure you’re aware. I don’t find that the case with the Z4M at all where the default setting feels just right to me. With the sport button pressed its almost like an on/off switch which gets wearing quickly.
Just shows each of us have different views & preferences & possibly each of our cars functions slightly differently ?
In the MR I find the throttle response with sport button on sharper which for me makes for smoother & easier to pull away , i don't ever feel its tiresome unless ive just got used to it , its on before ive left the driveway , it was similar in last Si E86 ( manual ) but with current Si E86 auto i find no need to have sport button on ( unless you want to rip away from the lights :wink: ) 0-30 town driving it completely ruins the drive :( once out travelling the lanes at speed however it transforms the 262bhp auto into a sharp performer :driving:
Absolutely, we all like different set ups on our cars, that’s what it’s all about. Some say removing the CDV transforms the car whereas on the Z4M I found an almost imperceptible difference. Fitting the strut brace brought a big improvement to front end control for me whereas other dismiss it as a cosmetic exercise. 19” CSLs destroy the ride for some but for me are perfect for the car. It’s all about individual opinions. For me the Z4M the sport button should be off, on the M3 it should be on. Differently set up cars after all.
Now removing the cdv on current MR totally transformed it 1st & 2nd & removing strutbrace from previous MR i felt zero difference so i get you :D
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:43 pm

mr wilks wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:40 am
dannytheduck1985 wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:48 am
mr wilks wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:25 pm TC off :cry: you must be one gifted driver :wink: at no point i ever driven any of my Zs & felt the need to turn that off :?
Sport button most definitely always on :evil: as well as countless spirited UK miles Ive covered hundreds of Z///Miles at full chatt through the Normandy countryside with 6-7 other M cars often pushing to the edge of safe speed for car & driver so i know what the car is capable of & pretty sure none of the others drive with it off .
How does it enhance the drive for you ?
Serious question now.
You have never drove your Z4M with TC off :o ?

Not being a cock but you haven’t really got to know the Z4M........ at all. Now is the Perfect weather to find the minerals to switch it off. Then drive the routes you have previously drove......... with caution.

Leave enough space to let the back slide and keep the power on, don’t panic
No ive honestly never felt any interference from any driver aids whether that be setting off fast or thrashing it through the country lanes which is where i would cover the majority of my miles . I can't comment whether on a track it needs to be off cause ive never driven on one nor have any desire to do so
i'm not being a cock here either but honestly , i'm really not getting this tc off caper at all .
Why would travelling my normal routes & letting the back slide out with power still on make it somehow better ?
I'm not a fanny , i love to crack on when i'm out but on uk roads especially i can't imagine the point or speed where i would think to myself " hahmmm , not really doing it for me anymore :D , lacking that certain something , lets try it with tc off & see if that improves my connection with the car "
& when guys post " yea tc off in the rain = funtimes" with a 177bhp 2.5 auto that makes me pi55 :rofl:
Each to their own , if it makes you feel like youve got to know a car better with it off fair dos , i think after 13k-14k miles in 3 different ZMs i know them well enough to know that they can flatter & entertain me without turning the tc off :wink:
If you have never switched off, you will never grasp the concept of what I mean when I say the Z4M becomes a live wire. To me the difference...........it’s like night and day. My Mrs used to crack me up :D with traction off and sport on, she would say “it’s like the car grew teeth” :rofl:
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:55 pm

Smartbear wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:07 am Some years ago i tried having some “extra fun” by turning off the traction control on a previous car, after some spectacularly exciting moments I drove into a tree head on :o
It saves us from ourselves & mine stays on these days :thumbsup:
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Post by dgm » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:22 pm

Little consensus to be found on this topic then. :lol:
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Post by Jembo » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:09 pm

dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:22 pm Little consensus to be found on this topic then. :lol:
On the :tumbleweed: ...

My insurance co, in 2014 when some muppet dragged a caravan down the side of my stationary AUDI, asked in one question whether all driver aids were active.

Pretty pointless then, though if they could ever work out were disabled during an accident wonder what you all would think their view would be?
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Post by R60BBA » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:30 pm

Jembo wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:09 pm
dgm wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:22 pm Little consensus to be found on this topic then. :lol:
On the :tumbleweed: ...

My insurance co, in 2014 when some muppet dragged a caravan down the side of my stationary AUDI, asked in one question whether all driver aids were active.

Pretty pointless then, though if they could ever work out were disabled during an accident wonder what you all would think their view would be?
Again I wouldn’t worry about this unless it specifically said in your contract something along the lines of “we will not cover any accident in the event of driver aids being turned off”.

And even if that was hypothetically in your contract, how could they prove otherwise 🤷🏽‍♂️
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Post by mr wilks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:04 pm

You only need watch clips of spin offs & crashes on youtube at the Ring , amateur " racing drivers " id wager a majority are told " you gotta have tc off for the best experience " yeah great , a ride home as opposed to a drive home :wink:


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Post by ph001 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:54 pm

:? ...at the other end of the spectrum, a 3.0Si doing an 8:33 at the ring :evil:

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Post by coupedan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:59 pm

I drive mine with TC and DSC switched off 90% of the time.
Only when the weather is bad will I switch it back on.

Mine seems to be far too intrusive, killing power when pulling out of busy junctions, also seems to try and adjust all of the time when driving on the motorway..
I have had all steering sensors calibrated too, just always has done it which is odd. So for me it's a far smoother drive without it on.
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Post by dgm » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:47 pm

coupedan wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:59 pm I drive mine with TC and DSC switched off 90% of the time.
Only when the weather is bad will I switch it back on.

Mine seems to be far too intrusive, killing power when pulling out of busy junctions, also seems to try and adjust all of the time when driving on the motorway..
I have had all steering sensors calibrated too, just always has done it which is odd. So for me it's a far smoother drive without it on.
Maybe you have a sh*t one! (Please don’t take that seriously, it’s not).
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Post by Gazza51 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:09 pm

TC off.

I’m old school and used to driving RWD Capris,Cotinas etc :rofl:
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