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Post by GuidoK » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:02 pm

Ok Ill test that.
I didnt know it could do performance testing.
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Post by FD3S » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:27 pm

NikitasZ4mcoupe wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:01 am
Beedub wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:09 pm
NikitasZ4mcoupe wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:08 am Hey Man!!!
How are you?
Lets go for a spin tonight with my VT2-525.
I am sure it will clear out your mind as you are going to immediately place the order.

If I were you, I would buy the kit new, as will include the ecu tune and all the proper support from ESS.

Attached below 100-200Km/hr results with 10Hz GPS. The test was done with 2% down hill
if those figures are accurate its actually mind bending...... i suppose given the weight of the car its very plausible but according to the list of times for the 100-200.... your beating some serious supercars.
Hey Beedub!!! How are you mate? I was very busy the last months with my new born baby boy!!! But now I am back to business :driving:
I know that it seems too good to be true, but car performes really well.
As you are aware it has been dynod at 476whp and weights 1440kg.
This is a very good combination with the 3.91diff.

I was very skeptical at the begining with the results, thats why I bought a 10Hz GPS to be used with Harris Lap time software.
It should have a 0.1sec accuracy........ I can share with you guys the vbo file if somebody whats to verify this!!!
I have been privileged to have a ride with Nikitas car. His car is veryyy fast but for me the most impressive is the how smooth it drives, how OEM it connects with the car, logical fuel consumption. All those things makes you wonder..

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Post by Beedub » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:29 am

FD3S wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:27 pm
NikitasZ4mcoupe wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:01 am
Beedub wrote: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:09 pm

if those figures are accurate its actually mind bending...... i suppose given the weight of the car its very plausible but according to the list of times for the 100-200.... your beating some serious supercars.
Hey Beedub!!! How are you mate? I was very busy the last months with my new born baby boy!!! But now I am back to business :driving:
I know that it seems too good to be true, but car performes really well.
As you are aware it has been dynod at 476whp and weights 1440kg.
This is a very good combination with the 3.91diff.

I was very skeptical at the begining with the results, thats why I bought a 10Hz GPS to be used with Harris Lap time software.
It should have a 0.1sec accuracy........ I can share with you guys the vbo file if somebody whats to verify this!!!
I have been privileged to have a ride with Nikitas car. His car is veryyy fast but for me the most impressive is the how smooth it drives, how OEM it connects with the car, logical fuel consumption. All those things makes you wonder..
definitely doesnt make me wonder, get to experience this luckily with my own car.... its insane how well it all works together, the blower compliments the engine and character so well its freaky... its like it came from the factory like this.
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Post by NikitasZ4mcoupe » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:43 am

Beedub wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:29 am
FD3S wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:27 pm
NikitasZ4mcoupe wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:01 am Hey Beedub!!! How are you mate? I was very busy the last months with my new born baby boy!!! But now I am back to business :driving:
I know that it seems too good to be true, but car performes really well.
As you are aware it has been dynod at 476whp and weights 1440kg.
This is a very good combination with the 3.91diff.

I was very skeptical at the begining with the results, thats why I bought a 10Hz GPS to be used with Harris Lap time software.
It should have a 0.1sec accuracy........ I can share with you guys the vbo file if somebody whats to verify this!!!
I have been privileged to have a ride with Nikitas car. His car is veryyy fast but for me the most impressive is the how smooth it drives, how OEM it connects with the car, logical fuel consumption. All those things makes you wonder..
definitely doesnt make me wonder, get to experience this luckily with my own car.... its insane how well it all works together, the blower compliments the engine and character so well its freaky... its like it came from the factory like this.
Totally agree with you mate.
It should come from the factory like that!
Blower doesn't change at all the character of the engine. Its just adding more power through out the whole rpm band.
Its pure magic!
I have been racing the car with corvettes, M4, M5 etc, its simply a beast!!

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Post by NikitasZ4mcoupe » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:02 am

NikitasZ4mcoupe wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:43 am
Beedub wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:29 am
FD3S wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:27 pm

I have been privileged to have a ride with Nikitas car. His car is veryyy fast but for me the most impressive is the how smooth it drives, how OEM it connects with the car, logical fuel consumption. All those things makes you wonder..
definitely doesnt make me wonder, get to experience this luckily with my own car.... its insane how well it all works together, the blower compliments the engine and character so well its freaky... its like it came from the factory like this.
Totally agree with you mate.
It should come from the factory like that!
Blower doesn't change at all the character of the engine. Its just adding more power through out the whole rpm band.
Its pure magic!
I have been racing the car with corvettes, M4, M5 etc, its simply a beast!!
Below link racing a tuned corvette C06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6C2UJa ... e=youtu.be

Hope you guys enjoy it!!!!

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Post by Beedub » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:40 pm

NikitasZ4mcoupe wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:02 am
NikitasZ4mcoupe wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:43 am
Beedub wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:29 am definitely doesnt make me wonder, get to experience this luckily with my own car.... its insane how well it all works together, the blower compliments the engine and character so well its freaky... its like it came from the factory like this.
Totally agree with you mate.
It should come from the factory like that!
Blower doesn't change at all the character of the engine. Its just adding more power through out the whole rpm band.
Its pure magic!
I have been racing the car with corvettes, M4, M5 etc, its simply a beast!!
Below link racing a tuned corvette C06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6C2UJa ... e=youtu.be

Hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
hahahahahaha love it!
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Post by Vanne » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:24 am

Mister T wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:41 pm Interesting news regarding the SCS Delta on a Z4M, that would actually sway me towards a CSL airbox as I wouldn't have to run a crappy alpha-n map...

Also great for a supercharger conversion as could get the car live mapped in the UK without having to rely on a generic tune.
You get a CSL air box, you /WILL/ be running an Alpha N map.
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Post by TomK » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:05 am

Vanne wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:24 am
Mister T wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:41 pm Interesting news regarding the SCS Delta on a Z4M, that would actually sway me towards a CSL airbox as I wouldn't have to run a crappy alpha-n map...

Also great for a supercharger conversion as could get the car live mapped in the UK without having to rely on a generic tune.
You get a CSL air box, you /WILL/ be running an Alpha N map.
But that's exactly his point, hopefully with this ecu you would be able to run a map sensor and then not have to use alpha-n like we do at the moment.
No one uses alpha-n any more on e46 with csl box as the far better way of tuning is with the map sensor as used in the CSL. It would seem it's not possible to run this map sensor with our ecu, well at least I have heard of no-one doing so.
Alpha-n is just a bodge really, that said it works very well on my car and I'm happy enough with it. Keen to hear of anyone using this ecu though..
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Post by Vanne » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:53 am

Hope this turns out Tom, there was a French guy over at the other side pedalling a new ECU as well, but has gone awfully quiet since then. Still, looking at these pics.. shows the CSL MAP sensor in the 3rd picture.. how would this work/cut into the ECU?
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Post by Vanne » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:35 am

Hmm.. just did a bit of research into this new ECU... they are talking 1000 to 2000 UK pounds for ECU/setup/parts/loom.. man, thats a lot of cash for a slight improvement on Alpha N tunes.. (obviously tunes vary) bloody expensive.. :cry:

i guess it all depends on what you wanna do with your car. if you wanna inch every little bit of performance out of it for track days, then sure, or you could just bite the bullet and grab a GT3RS, as they will come screaming by you, no mater what mods you have on your z4m. Frustrating , i know, been there many many times.. and i get out of my car soaking wet, old mate gets out of his GT3RS like he's been for a sunday stroll through the park..

its not an apple and oranges game.

this just makes the CSL intake an even worse bet as including the ECU your now way over SC territory, which .. again.. gives much, much better better return for dollar/HP.

I think the e46 M3 guys are possibly going for this ECU as they have the lockout function on stock, which we don't.
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Post by FD3S » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:36 pm

Vanne wrote: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:35 am
old mate gets out of his GT3RS like he's been for a sunday stroll through the park..
:rofl: Now with the ZR1 even them will be feeling weird...

About the ECU tuning there has been also a guy in zpost with nickname comic, I think French too, that tuned a custom ECU for the Z4M by putting custom aluminium velocity stacks . He has managed without SC, to tune it at a very high number of HP.

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Post by Beedub » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:56 pm

TomK wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:05 am
Vanne wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:24 am
Mister T wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:41 pm Interesting news regarding the SCS Delta on a Z4M, that would actually sway me towards a CSL airbox as I wouldn't have to run a crappy alpha-n map...

Also great for a supercharger conversion as could get the car live mapped in the UK without having to rely on a generic tune.
You get a CSL air box, you /WILL/ be running an Alpha N map.
But that's exactly his point, hopefully with this ecu you would be able to run a map sensor and then not have to use alpha-n like we do at the moment.
No one uses alpha-n any more on e46 with csl box as the far better way of tuning is with the map sensor as used in the CSL. It would seem it's not possible to run this map sensor with our ecu, well at least I have heard of no-one doing so.
Alpha-n is just a bodge really, that said it works very well on my car and I'm happy enough with it. Keen to hear of anyone using this ecu though..
Their is quite abit more to it than a bodge, this tuning cant be compared to a limp home mode preset value to get you home type thing. Speed density tuning is a great great way to do things, particularly im FI, and not just this vehicle , some very high end applications.
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Post by TomK » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:09 pm

Beedub wrote: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:56 pm Their is quite abit more to it than a bodge, this tuning cant be compared to a limp home mode preset value to get you home type thing. Speed density tuning is a great great way to do things, particularly im FI, and not just this vehicle , some very high end applications.
Sure, I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek, but there's no getting around the fact that the correct way to map an S54 with a CSL airbox is as BMW did with the CSL using a MAP sensor. The alpha-n 'fix' (which was used before people worked out how to convert MSS54/hp ecus in normal m3s to run a clone of the CSL dme) is simply not as adaptable to all conditions hence the myriad of complaints you will find out there about various well known tuning companies versions of S54 alpha-n maps, in particular relating to WOT scenarios at low revs.
As an aside, I am speaking to ESS about the possibility of running the MAP sensor with our MSS70 ecu, hopefully it should be possible but the whole architecture of the MSS70 is very very different from MSS54 and also really quite different to the MSS60/5 used in the E9x cars.
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