Mad to sell Z4M & F56 JCW for F10 M5?

mj2k · Post by **mj2k** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:47 pm

I didn’t see it as that thirsty from PH reviews, at least not when cruising bs pushing on. My Z is about 29mpg from ownership, so guessing I don’t push often enough, or to justify ‘more’, or that suggests 18mpg from the V8.

Want a V8 before they are no longer an option, but nervous about reverting back to a Ford via the mustang & lower quality interiors & rattles drive me up the wall.

Agree on the SMG and E60, driven a non M E60 recently and these days it’s neither simplistic (as the Z is to me), or old school, it simply feels dated, very dated. Love the E60 bangle design from the outside & prefer it to the F10 but interior is just not nice.

My wife has informed me I am not selling the Z under any circumstances as she can see me buying it back again (as I did with my coupe) as missed it too much.

Weirdly the E92 M3 doesn’t appeal in the same way the M5 does, despite being smaller, lighter & easier to hustle on smaller roads. It makes no logical sense to have / want one, but when did that ever come into decisions.

Previously toyed with another F10 as a daily instead of the mini, but love the fact minis fit into many parking spaces, and can be chucked about.

My main car history is 3 x Z4 (1 Z4M), 3 Minis (1 S, 2 JCW) and 3 x 5 series along with an S2k. I’m almost in a rut, but can’t justify my ideal 911.

First world problems, I know, sensible thing is to stick where I am, but enjoy owning new cars as my hobby.

MACK · Post by **MACK** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:49 pm

E39 m5 for me if I was buying an M5 of my own. The newer stuff just isn't as much "fun". I also broke an e60 m5 we had on demo from Bmw corporate fleet. 5,800 miles it had done in total, I know being a demo going out to corporate customers and the press etc it will have been a hard 5,800 miles, but even so. 10+ years ago but it was something on the engine that sounded mechanical and expensive but I never did find out what actually went bang on it.

Muckinonthesofa · Post by **Muckinonthesofa** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:02 am

I'd highly recommend the e39 M5. I had a 2002 facelift in estoril, it was a great car. The s62 v8 was glorious, even better after I removed the rear exhaust silencers (common mod), the noise has to heard to be appreciated and never droned and cruised like the standard set up. Only problem was the thermostats which were replaced under warranty. I sold mine for £2k more than I bought it for but if I had it now, being a very low miler as well, it would probably be worth double, so potentially a good investment.

Steve84N · Post by **Steve84N** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:23 pm

C63...?

mj2k · Post by **mj2k** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:40 pm

C63 was on the list, but fails to scratch the M5 itch lol

Z4M-2006 · Post by **Z4M-2006** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:48 pm

You should have a go in a C63 and an M5.....Just for comparisons sake i guess...... Although the E63 is Mercs direct comparison to M5.

My mate has a mapped F10 and it is very very quick.....And it is comfortable,but visually it does nothing for me.

mj2k · Post by **mj2k** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:03 pm

Seems the E & C 63 varieties have a lot more pops & bangs about them on gear changes, one reason I fell in love with my F56 JCW with the Bluetooth exhaust - still never got fed up with the childish nature of it, M5 seems more grown up than the Merc options, so who knows!

Steve84N · Post by **Steve84N** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:41 pm

The noise is bombastic, no comparison.

M5 is quicker but 500bhp is but a £500 remap away on the 6.2. Seats are super huggy in the C63 and its hydraulic steering is lovely. Another reason I've moved away from BMW is that the C63 comes in an estate version.

Z4M-2006 · Post by **Z4M-2006** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:34 pm

My C63 runs 520+ BHP pretty consistently with V5 map and secondary cat delete...

Noise is incredible,crackles and pops on the overun in sport mode are addictive.

tjlazer · Post by **tjlazer** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:50 pm

Sold my z4m very recently and for an F10. C63 is fun but the M5 a more complete proposition and less juicy on a longer trip and price wise there's nothing in it if you go after a facelift ppp. Do it. They are amazing! E39 been there and done that but really they are far too old now for a DD and the game really has moved on with the F10. The acceleration and all usability is outstanding. In this weather those wheels spin up a fair bit! Needless to say every drive is still special but there's a massive dose of practicality for the daily grind, with amusement just a prod of the accelerator away...ps mod the valves and the exhaust is pretty good stock

mj2k · Post by **mj2k** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:10 pm

tjlazer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:50 pm Sold my z4m very recently and for an F10. C63 is fun but the M5 a more complete proposition and less juicy on a longer trip and price wise there's nothing in it if you go after a facelift ppp. Do it. They are amazing! E39 been there and done that but really they are far too old now for a DD and the game really has moved on with the F10. The acceleration and all usability is outstanding. In this weather those wheels spin up a fair bit! Needless to say every drive is still special but there's a massive dose of practicality for the daily grind, with amusement just a prod of the accelerator away...ps mod the valves and the exhaust is pretty good stock

Interesting, thank you. I’m not even at the mods stage but will investigate. I’ve read a lot about the TC light appearing in this weather & resultant wear of the rear brakes.

A lot will depend on where the new job / contract is. If I end up driving from reading to St Albans again, any V8 is going to be a challenge.

Can’t remeber if I mentioned the other option which is a 5.0 Mustang. A childhood dream, but unsure if I can return to a ford build quality vs BMW. But OMG they just sound amazing!

MickAdams · Post by **MickAdams** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:18 pm

It looks like I'm a bit late to this thread, but I have an F10 M5 "daily" along with my ZMR and if I had to choose one to keep, it'd be the Z every time. The M5 is a great car, but there's just something extra special about the ZMR which I don't think the F10 M5 will ever have. Also, if you're wanting a proper V8 sound, then I'd probably look at something else anyway, I find the M5 a quite lacking in that department.

Another option to consider for a good V8 is the Jag XFR, I had two and absolutely loved them, get an aftermarket exhaust (I went Spires) on them and they sound fantastic too

I honestly almost bought a 3rd, but decided that it three in a row was too many, especially as I'd had an XF 3.0d S before the XFR.

mj2k · Post by **mj2k** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:00 pm

MickAdams wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:18 pm It looks like I'm a bit late to this thread, but I have an F10 M5 "daily" along with my ZMR and if I had to choose one to keep, it'd be the Z every time. The M5 is a great car, but there's just something extra special about the ZMR which I don't think the F10 M5 will ever have. Also, if you're wanting a proper V8 sound, then I'd probably look at something else anyway, I find the M5 a quite lacking in that department.

Another option to consider for a good V8 is the Jag XFR, I had two and absolutely loved them, get an aftermarket exhaust (I went Spires) on them and they sound fantastic too I honestly almost bought a 3rd, but decided that it three in a row was too many, especially as I'd had an XF 3.0d S before the XFR.

Cheers, never too late - well not until I've purchased the new one!

I do love the Z, always something of an occasion getting into it (and not just due to the garage being really small!), its old school & needs to be worked to deliver the power, whereas part of me does find modern turbos a bit 'fast but no skill required to achieve it'

Mustang might be the options then - like the XF but 2 friends have one, so cant really do that!

Mr Tidy · Post by **Mr Tidy** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:13 pm

Like the Mustang idea - I'd love to give a V8 a try!

Mister T · Post by **Mister T** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:03 am

Z4M-2006 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:34 pm My C63 runs 520+ BHP pretty consistently with V5 map and secondary cat delete...

Noise is incredible,crackles and pops on the overun in sport mode are addictive.

My mate at work had a modified C63 and it's a great car, but I still prefer my V8 Vantage N420 even though I can't keep up with him

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