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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am

dannytheduck1985 wrote:
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If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
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Post by Ducklakeview » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 am

TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am
dannytheduck1985 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm
If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
I also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.

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Post by bladeowner » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:15 am

Just seen this. :( Glad you're OK. That's the main thing.
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Post by buzyg » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:22 am

Ducklakeview wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 am
TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am
dannytheduck1985 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm
If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
I also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.

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Completely agree with you Mike. No roof damage and Garry didn't mention the car rolling, so what Danny has said here I would completely disagree with. Unless he knows more about the incident that we do.
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm

buzyg wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:22 am
Ducklakeview wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 am
TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am
I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
I also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.

Mike
Completely agree with you Mike. No roof damage and Garry didn't mention the car rolling, so what Danny has said here I would completely disagree with. Unless he knows more about the incident that we do.
I know just as much as you lot about the accident.

Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:15 pm

dannytheduck1985 wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm
I know just as much as you lot about the accident.
Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
Well yes you'd hope most of us got your 'basic physics' fact, thanks for that. I'm intrigued to know what more advanced physics you could apply to explain how a car that takes no hit above the scuttle line would come off worse be it coupe or roadster. You think with that kind of impact a roadster shell would just crumple because it doesn't have a roof? Really? Bear in mind the coupe shell was just a bastardisation of the correct 85 shell, which passed no doubt all kinds of safety tests.
Sounds like you know best though.
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Post by Truth » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:20 pm

I though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pm

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I though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
I'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version :hairdryer: ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:29 pm

TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:15 pm
dannytheduck1985 wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm
I know just as much as you lot about the accident.
Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
Well yes you'd hope most of us got your 'basic physics' fact, thanks for that. I'm intrigued to know what more advanced physics you could apply to explain how a car that takes no hit above the scuttle line would come off worse be it coupe or roadster. You think with that kind of impact a roadster shell would just crumple because it doesn't have a roof? Really? Bear in mind the coupe shell was just a bastardisation of the correct 85 shell, which passed no doubt all kinds of safety tests.
Sounds like you know best though.
Clearly not aware that without a roof, a car is a lot more flexible between front and rear axles

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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34 pm

I had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
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Post by Truth » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:35 pm

TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pm
Truth wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:20 pm
I though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
I'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version :hairdryer: ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.

Obviously less rigidity but more strength in the side if that makes sense in this type of crash. Nevermind, as I’m not that educated to comment, i will step back from further conversations and won’t try to back you up.
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:37 pm

TomK wrote:
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I had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:39 pm

Truth wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:35 pm
TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pm
Truth wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:20 pm
I though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
I'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version :hairdryer: ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.

Obviously less rigidity but more strength in the side if that makes sense in this type of crash. Nevermind, as I’m not that educated to comment, i will step back from further conversations and won’t try to back you up.
All the best
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:41 pm

dannytheduck1985 wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:37 pm
TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34 pm
I had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
Tom....... :thumbsup:
I'm just happy I wasn't in it, roof or no bloody roof! :D
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:41 pm

dannytheduck1985 wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:37 pm
TomK wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34 pm
I had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
Tom....... :thumbsup:
I'm just happy I wasn't in it, roof or no bloody roof! :D
Hope you're mending well AlfaScozzesi :thumbsup:
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