I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that?dannytheduck1985 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
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I also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.TomK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 amI don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that?dannytheduck1985 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
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Just seen this. Glad you're OK. That's the main thing.
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Completely agree with you Mike. No roof damage and Garry didn't mention the car rolling, so what Danny has said here I would completely disagree with. Unless he knows more about the incident that we do.Ducklakeview wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 amI also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.TomK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 amI don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that?dannytheduck1985 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
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I know just as much as you lot about the accident.buzyg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:22 amCompletely agree with you Mike. No roof damage and Garry didn't mention the car rolling, so what Danny has said here I would completely disagree with. Unless he knows more about the incident that we do.Ducklakeview wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 amI also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.
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Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
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Well yes you'd hope most of us got your 'basic physics' fact, thanks for that. I'm intrigued to know what more advanced physics you could apply to explain how a car that takes no hit above the scuttle line would come off worse be it coupe or roadster. You think with that kind of impact a roadster shell would just crumple because it doesn't have a roof? Really? Bear in mind the coupe shell was just a bastardisation of the correct 85 shell, which passed no doubt all kinds of safety tests.dannytheduck1985 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm I know just as much as you lot about the accident.
Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
Sounds like you know best though.
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I though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
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I'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.
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Clearly not aware that without a roof, a car is a lot more flexible between front and rear axlesTomK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:15 pmWell yes you'd hope most of us got your 'basic physics' fact, thanks for that. I'm intrigued to know what more advanced physics you could apply to explain how a car that takes no hit above the scuttle line would come off worse be it coupe or roadster. You think with that kind of impact a roadster shell would just crumple because it doesn't have a roof? Really? Bear in mind the coupe shell was just a bastardisation of the correct 85 shell, which passed no doubt all kinds of safety tests.dannytheduck1985 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm I know just as much as you lot about the accident.
Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
Sounds like you know best though.
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I had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness ).
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TomK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pmI'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.
Obviously less rigidity but more strength in the side if that makes sense in this type of crash. Nevermind, as I’m not that educated to comment, i will step back from further conversations and won’t try to back you up.
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Dude, this is not a heated conversation or is it a dig at anyone. It’s more a debate all input is welcome.Truth wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:35 pmTomK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pmI'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.
Obviously less rigidity but more strength in the side if that makes sense in this type of crash. Nevermind, as I’m not that educated to comment, i will step back from further conversations and won’t try to back you up.
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I'm just happy I wasn't in it, roof or no bloody roof!
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I'm just happy I wasn't in it, roof or no bloody roof!
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