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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am

dannytheduck1985 wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
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Post by Ducklakeview » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 am

TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am
dannytheduck1985 wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
I also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.

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Post by bladeowner » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:15 am

Just seen this. :( Glad you're OK. That's the main thing.
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Post by buzyg » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:22 am

Ducklakeview wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 am
TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am
dannytheduck1985 wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm If that was a roadster your chances of survival would of been slim.
I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
I also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.

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Completely agree with you Mike. No roof damage and Garry didn't mention the car rolling, so what Danny has said here I would completely disagree with. Unless he knows more about the incident that we do.
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm

buzyg wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:22 am
Ducklakeview wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:38 am
TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:25 am I don't see any major amount of damage above the scuttle, and clearly the car didn't roll. What makes you think that? :?
I also thought that tbh, as in it being a roadster wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.

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Completely agree with you Mike. No roof damage and Garry didn't mention the car rolling, so what Danny has said here I would completely disagree with. Unless he knows more about the incident that we do.
I know just as much as you lot about the accident.

Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:15 pm

dannytheduck1985 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm I know just as much as you lot about the accident.
Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
Well yes you'd hope most of us got your 'basic physics' fact, thanks for that. I'm intrigued to know what more advanced physics you could apply to explain how a car that takes no hit above the scuttle line would come off worse be it coupe or roadster. You think with that kind of impact a roadster shell would just crumple because it doesn't have a roof? Really? Bear in mind the coupe shell was just a bastardisation of the correct 85 shell, which passed no doubt all kinds of safety tests.
Sounds like you know best though.
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Post by Truth » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:20 pm

I though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pm

Truth wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:20 pmI though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
I'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version :hairdryer: ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:29 pm

TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:15 pm
dannytheduck1985 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:06 pm I know just as much as you lot about the accident.
Rolling doesn’t even need to come into it lol. It’s basic physics that a car with a solid roof is infact a lot structurally stronger than a convertible.
Well yes you'd hope most of us got your 'basic physics' fact, thanks for that. I'm intrigued to know what more advanced physics you could apply to explain how a car that takes no hit above the scuttle line would come off worse be it coupe or roadster. You think with that kind of impact a roadster shell would just crumple because it doesn't have a roof? Really? Bear in mind the coupe shell was just a bastardisation of the correct 85 shell, which passed no doubt all kinds of safety tests.
Sounds like you know best though.
Clearly not aware that without a roof, a car is a lot more flexible between front and rear axles

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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34 pm

I had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
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Post by Truth » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:35 pm

TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pm
Truth wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:20 pmI though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
I'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version :hairdryer: ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.

Obviously less rigidity but more strength in the side if that makes sense in this type of crash. Nevermind, as I’m not that educated to comment, i will step back from further conversations and won’t try to back you up.
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:37 pm

TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34 pmI had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:39 pm

Truth wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:35 pm
TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:25 pm
Truth wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:20 pmI though the roadster had even more lateral strength to compensate the rooflessness (is that a word) I’m with tomk on this one.
I'm not sure that's quite right, but the e85 chassis inherently has a greater torsional rigidity iirc than that of an e46m3 for instance (not the wendy house version :hairdryer: ), so I think the lack of a roof is a moot point when considering a crash like this. If it rolls then it's a different story.

Obviously less rigidity but more strength in the side if that makes sense in this type of crash. Nevermind, as I’m not that educated to comment, i will step back from further conversations and won’t try to back you up.
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:41 pm

dannytheduck1985 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:37 pm
TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34 pmI had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
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I'm just happy I wasn't in it, roof or no bloody roof! :D
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Post by TomK » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:41 pm

dannytheduck1985 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:37 pm
TomK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34 pmI had grasped that concept, but this car was hit from the side. Anyway, I'm happy in my coupe (with added stiffness :D ).
Tom....... :thumbsup:
I'm just happy I wasn't in it, roof or no bloody roof! :D
Hope you're mending well AlfaScozzesi :thumbsup:
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