BMWZ4MC wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:10 pmSmartbear wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:07 pmIt’s purely personal opinion but the auto even in manual mode doesn’t mechanically change the gears when you move the stick, you’re just operating a microswitch which can feel a bit lacking. The manual gearshift actually moves the cogs and you can feel it - It’s this difference in mechanical involvement that separates the twoPbondar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:28 pm With boxes like the ZF8HP I'm at a loss to understand what this 'manual' issue is?
The only thing from a behaviourial view that distingusihes that box from a manual are:
1) No clutch pedal
2) No H pattern in manual mode (just up n down)
Can someone explain what the issue(s) are?
More than that, driving a manual car well is enormously rewarding. Pulling away rapidly from stationary without excessive wheel spin, clutch slip or bogging down; smooth, rapid upshifts under maximum acceleration, perfectly coordinating hand and foot whilst snicking across the gearbox; heel-and-toe downshifts using two feet on three pedals to enable rev-matching whilst braking hard into a corner, clipping the apex already in the correct gear and then accelerating smoothly back up through the gearbox. None of that is possible when pulling a paddle. Not to mention the fun of a hill start on a steep, slippery road.
Completely agree, Smartbear and bmwz4mc.....it's all about proper driving involvement.
Something that an auto or good automated manual,such as a VW) Audi or Porsche DSG Box just can't give you,as good as they are.
Some people just don't get it,but each to their own.
As said elsewhere,it's the same with Electric cars,great acceleration isn't everything,and they lack soul or a connection for me as well.
Unfortunately,it's the way it's going,but we can enjoy our Manual sports cars a while yet