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Post by john-e89 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:41 pm

dr_john wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:30 pmwho cares?
Most probably nobody Doc but the alternative is a forum where nobody posts anything....if you’re so f***ing bored why reply...?
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Post by Argyll Andy » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:54 pm

John, I was looking at an M40i recently and if the colour in picture 1 was a true representation I’d maybe have given it a bit more thought, picture 2 is a no from me :thumbsup:

This is the picture of the interior I’m talking about and it doesn’t look as bright here as it did on the original picture, it looks very similar to your picture 2
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    Post by GuidoK » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:56 am

    john-e89 wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:36 pm
    If you read my post I’ve seen both in the flesh and the pics are the best representation of each that I’ve found as stated.
    Yes I've read it but we have to believe your blue eyes on it.
    My point is that you show pictures that coincide with your memory. But the pictures you show, are different in real life.
    So if the pictures are different to begin with, what is the reality? Is your memory a true representation of reality?
    For us that's very difficult to tell :lol:

    If the colour has changed, then partnumbers of interior parts have changed too.
    Have you looked up those? That would be a very sure way to see if your story is plausable or not (is your mind playing tricks on you or is your memory right? :wink: )
    colourchange without part# change would give huge chaos. Think insurance companies having to change complete interiors when 1 small parts gets damaged etc. So that never happens.
    Also keeping track of exact partnumbers is extremely important for a carmaker in therms of liability. If a certain partnumber has a critical fault it's way cheaper to just recall that batch that has that partnumber instead of all cars of that type ever made so carmakers are very meticulous about that.
    And partnumbers change all the time; slight technical changes, or OEM changes etc etc.
    Normally a superseeding partnumber should be the same in use/appearane but little changes do happen. And I can imagine a slight difference in colourtone with a different partnumber is possible. I've seen superceeding parts change in fit&finish myself when replacing parts (having both of them in my hands side by side)

    But if one's buying used it doesn't matter as you're getting to see the actual product in adavance so one can decide then and there.
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    Post by ori » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:57 am

    Have you tried using the car config on the bmw website to can an idea of colours?

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    Post by millview22 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:35 pm

    This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
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    Post by PaperSniper » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:28 pm

    Smartbear wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:09 pm Top pic looks very beige to me, i prefer the lower pic with the richer colours :thumbsup:
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    Post by john-e89 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:37 pm

    Well whatever, but I’d really like to get an early and late car together to compare.

    No offence intended on Cognac Millview, I’m sure none taken.
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    Post by GuidoK » Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:44 pm

    So I did some research into this, and indeed there has been a partnumber change for the congac leather.
    In fact, for all the leathers on the seats there have been partnumber changes.
    RealOEM shows at least 1 partnumber change, but quite early though: 11-1-2018
    And the strange thing is, it also meantions: nonexchangeable retrospectively.
    So it could well be that there are small colour changes or that the parts age differntly. Thats a real pain for owners if they need a replacement part.
    Getting replacement leather is always a pain because it's very expensive :lol: but also because aging changes the colour to begin with (especially in cabrios)
    It's also strange that there has been a partnumber exchange, because that didn't happen with the leather on the seats with the E89 and E85 (I can imagine that car manufacturers want to avoid it because of potential colour change)
    I wonder if this has someting to do with these cars being manufacturerd by an outsourced company so that bmw may have less control over the manufacturing process and part/OEM control.
    Of course it could also be a result of that the complete seats had to be changed for some reason, thus all leather coverings also had to be changed..
    Door trim hasn't changed though.
    millview22 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:35 pm This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
    Misano blue G29 Z4 with congac interior looks absolutely stunning :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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    Post by Mr Tidy » Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:57 pm

    I like contrasting colours and don't mind lighter shades with a stron exterior colour - both my 3.0Sis had Pearl Grey seats.

    But I don't think I'd choose Cognac - it would remind me of the Beige seats I've got in my 3 Series. The Lemon leather I had in the previous one was much nicer, but I wanted a bigger engine!
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    Post by john-e89 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:38 pm

    GuidoK wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:44 pm So I did some research into this, and indeed there has been a partnumber change for the congac leather.
    In fact, for all the leathers on the seats there have been partnumber changes.
    RealOEM shows at least 1 partnumber change, but quite early though: 11-1-2018
    And the strange thing is, it also meantions: nonexchangeable retrospectively.
    So it could well be that there are small colour changes or that the parts age differntly. Thats a real pain for owners if they need a replacement part.
    Getting replacement leather is always a pain because it's very expensive :lol: but also because aging changes the colour to begin with (especially in cabrios)
    It's also strange that there has been a partnumber exchange, because that didn't happen with the leather on the seats with the E89 and E85 (I can imagine that car manufacturers want to avoid it because of potential colour change)
    I wonder if this has someting to do with these cars being manufacturerd by an outsourced company so that bmw may have less control over the manufacturing process and part/OEM control.
    Of course it could also be a result of that the complete seats had to be changed for some reason, thus all leather coverings also had to be changed..
    Door trim hasn't changed though.
    millview22 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:35 pm This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
    Misano blue G29 Z4 with congac interior looks absolutely stunning :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
    I’m waiting........any time will do...... :wink:
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    Post by john-e89 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:44 pm

    john-e89 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:38 pm
    GuidoK wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:44 pm So I did some research into this, and indeed there has been a partnumber change for the congac leather.
    In fact, for all the leathers on the seats there have been partnumber changes.
    RealOEM shows at least 1 partnumber change, but quite early though: 11-1-2018
    And the strange thing is, it also meantions: nonexchangeable retrospectively.
    So it could well be that there are small colour changes or that the parts age differntly. Thats a real pain for owners if they need a replacement part.
    Getting replacement leather is always a pain because it's very expensive :lol: but also because aging changes the colour to begin with (especially in cabrios)
    It's also strange that there has been a partnumber exchange, because that didn't happen with the leather on the seats with the E89 and E85 (I can imagine that car manufacturers want to avoid it because of potential colour change)
    I wonder if this has someting to do with these cars being manufacturerd by an outsourced company so that bmw may have less control over the manufacturing process and part/OEM control.
    Of course it could also be a result of that the complete seats had to be changed for some reason, thus all leather coverings also had to be changed..
    Door trim hasn't changed though.
    millview22 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:35 pm This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
    Misano blue G29 Z4 with congac interior looks absolutely stunning :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
    Nothing wrong with my ‘Blue eyes’ then........I’m waiting........any time will do...... :wink:
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    Post by Wyldie85 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:33 pm

    I’ve seen three G29’s with cognac and they all looked like the second picture. I don’t see the problem. It’s different but not unlikable in that guise. Against blue, black or grey it could be a nice contrast.
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    Post by john-e89 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:47 pm

    Wyldie85 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:33 pm I’ve seen three G29’s with cognac and they all looked like the second picture. I don’t see the problem. It’s different but not unlikable in that guise. Against blue, black or grey it could be a nice contrast.
    :? It isn’t a problem, neither is it unlikeable, never said it was, all I said was it looks different now and washed out in comparison to the richer colour of the launch car and personally I don’t like it as much as I did then.
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    Post by goon » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:34 pm

    The top pc looks like the seats are made of cardboard, wouldnt be seen dead in it myself, dreadful.

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    Post by handymanuk » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:25 am

    If people are wondering why more people don’t post it’s because of threads like this.

    I’m a relatively new member, I post a bit, but threads like this put me off. I’m just being honest. I think we all know by now that the OP doesn’t like the G29 and he’s told us this many, many times.

    From the outside looking in, why would a G29 owner want to contribute to a forum that’s dominated by a few members who love to tell people how much they don’t like the car that they drive?

    I personally do not see the value in threads like this. Forums don’t grow and survive just based on noise. There needs to be meaningful discussion.

    This thread could have been ‘has anyone noticed that the seat colours have changed?’, but instead the OP is banging the same old drum to justify why he didn’t end up buying a car that many of us love and enjoy.

    How about we change the tone here and be a bit more positive and inclusive? Or should I come onto the E89 forum and say how lucky I am that I no longer own one? :o
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