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John, I was looking at an M40i recently and if the colour in picture 1 was a true representation I’d maybe have given it a bit more thought, picture 2 is a no from me
This is the picture of the interior I’m talking about and it doesn’t look as bright here as it did on the original picture, it looks very similar to your picture 2
This is the picture of the interior I’m talking about and it doesn’t look as bright here as it did on the original picture, it looks very similar to your picture 2
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G29 M40i Thundernight with Ivory interior, all option packs (here for a while, hopefully )
G29 M40i Misano Blue all option packs (Gone 26k of fun)
E89 35iS, Valencia Orange, Design Pure Traction pack (Gone)
E89 23i sDrive, Silver (Gone)
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Yes I've read it but we have to believe your blue eyes on it.
My point is that you show pictures that coincide with your memory. But the pictures you show, are different in real life.
So if the pictures are different to begin with, what is the reality? Is your memory a true representation of reality?
For us that's very difficult to tell
If the colour has changed, then partnumbers of interior parts have changed too.
Have you looked up those? That would be a very sure way to see if your story is plausable or not (is your mind playing tricks on you or is your memory right? )
colourchange without part# change would give huge chaos. Think insurance companies having to change complete interiors when 1 small parts gets damaged etc. So that never happens.
Also keeping track of exact partnumbers is extremely important for a carmaker in therms of liability. If a certain partnumber has a critical fault it's way cheaper to just recall that batch that has that partnumber instead of all cars of that type ever made so carmakers are very meticulous about that.
And partnumbers change all the time; slight technical changes, or OEM changes etc etc.
Normally a superseeding partnumber should be the same in use/appearane but little changes do happen. And I can imagine a slight difference in colourtone with a different partnumber is possible. I've seen superceeding parts change in fit&finish myself when replacing parts (having both of them in my hands side by side)
But if one's buying used it doesn't matter as you're getting to see the actual product in adavance so one can decide then and there.
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Have you tried using the car config on the bmw website to can an idea of colours?
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This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
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2023 BMW Z4 G29 sDrive 20i M sport in Thundernight
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That's the color/colour in my wife's 2019 440i GC. I like both colors in the photo though.
2020 BMW Z4 M40i
Misano Blue, Premium, Leather
Need more curves in west Tennessee!
Misano Blue, Premium, Leather
Need more curves in west Tennessee!
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Well whatever, but I’d really like to get an early and late car together to compare.
No offence intended on Cognac Millview, I’m sure none taken.
No offence intended on Cognac Millview, I’m sure none taken.
M roady...OEM CSL’s, strut brace, Remus back boxes, ZHP
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
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So I did some research into this, and indeed there has been a partnumber change for the congac leather.
In fact, for all the leathers on the seats there have been partnumber changes.
RealOEM shows at least 1 partnumber change, but quite early though: 11-1-2018
And the strange thing is, it also meantions: nonexchangeable retrospectively.
So it could well be that there are small colour changes or that the parts age differntly. Thats a real pain for owners if they need a replacement part.
Getting replacement leather is always a pain because it's very expensive but also because aging changes the colour to begin with (especially in cabrios)
It's also strange that there has been a partnumber exchange, because that didn't happen with the leather on the seats with the E89 and E85 (I can imagine that car manufacturers want to avoid it because of potential colour change)
I wonder if this has someting to do with these cars being manufacturerd by an outsourced company so that bmw may have less control over the manufacturing process and part/OEM control.
Of course it could also be a result of that the complete seats had to be changed for some reason, thus all leather coverings also had to be changed..
Door trim hasn't changed though.
In fact, for all the leathers on the seats there have been partnumber changes.
RealOEM shows at least 1 partnumber change, but quite early though: 11-1-2018
And the strange thing is, it also meantions: nonexchangeable retrospectively.
So it could well be that there are small colour changes or that the parts age differntly. Thats a real pain for owners if they need a replacement part.
Getting replacement leather is always a pain because it's very expensive but also because aging changes the colour to begin with (especially in cabrios)
It's also strange that there has been a partnumber exchange, because that didn't happen with the leather on the seats with the E89 and E85 (I can imagine that car manufacturers want to avoid it because of potential colour change)
I wonder if this has someting to do with these cars being manufacturerd by an outsourced company so that bmw may have less control over the manufacturing process and part/OEM control.
Of course it could also be a result of that the complete seats had to be changed for some reason, thus all leather coverings also had to be changed..
Door trim hasn't changed though.
Misano blue G29 Z4 with congac interior looks absolutely stunningmillview22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:35 pm This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
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I like contrasting colours and don't mind lighter shades with a stron exterior colour - both my 3.0Sis had Pearl Grey seats.
But I don't think I'd choose Cognac - it would remind me of the Beige seats I've got in my 3 Series. The Lemon leather I had in the previous one was much nicer, but I wanted a bigger engine!
But I don't think I'd choose Cognac - it would remind me of the Beige seats I've got in my 3 Series. The Lemon leather I had in the previous one was much nicer, but I wanted a bigger engine!
Coupes because stunning!
Current - Silver Grey MC, Imola Red heated Nappa & carbon trim. Aeros, H & R Coil-overs, 224s, OE Strut brace, Nav, cup-holders, DSP Hi-Fi, pdc, cruise, MFSW, no CDV! E90 330i daily
Gone - Montego Blue
Gone - Ruby Black
Current - Silver Grey MC, Imola Red heated Nappa & carbon trim. Aeros, H & R Coil-overs, 224s, OE Strut brace, Nav, cup-holders, DSP Hi-Fi, pdc, cruise, MFSW, no CDV! E90 330i daily
Gone - Montego Blue
Gone - Ruby Black
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I’m waiting........any time will do......GuidoK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:44 pm So I did some research into this, and indeed there has been a partnumber change for the congac leather.
In fact, for all the leathers on the seats there have been partnumber changes.
RealOEM shows at least 1 partnumber change, but quite early though: 11-1-2018
And the strange thing is, it also meantions: nonexchangeable retrospectively.
So it could well be that there are small colour changes or that the parts age differntly. Thats a real pain for owners if they need a replacement part.
Getting replacement leather is always a pain because it's very expensive but also because aging changes the colour to begin with (especially in cabrios)
It's also strange that there has been a partnumber exchange, because that didn't happen with the leather on the seats with the E89 and E85 (I can imagine that car manufacturers want to avoid it because of potential colour change)
I wonder if this has someting to do with these cars being manufacturerd by an outsourced company so that bmw may have less control over the manufacturing process and part/OEM control.
Of course it could also be a result of that the complete seats had to be changed for some reason, thus all leather coverings also had to be changed..
Door trim hasn't changed though.Misano blue G29 Z4 with congac interior looks absolutely stunningmillview22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:35 pm This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
M roady...OEM CSL’s, strut brace, Remus back boxes, ZHP
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
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john-e89 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:38 pmNothing wrong with my ‘Blue eyes’ then........I’m waiting........any time will do......GuidoK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:44 pm So I did some research into this, and indeed there has been a partnumber change for the congac leather.
In fact, for all the leathers on the seats there have been partnumber changes.
RealOEM shows at least 1 partnumber change, but quite early though: 11-1-2018
And the strange thing is, it also meantions: nonexchangeable retrospectively.
So it could well be that there are small colour changes or that the parts age differntly. Thats a real pain for owners if they need a replacement part.
Getting replacement leather is always a pain because it's very expensive but also because aging changes the colour to begin with (especially in cabrios)
It's also strange that there has been a partnumber exchange, because that didn't happen with the leather on the seats with the E89 and E85 (I can imagine that car manufacturers want to avoid it because of potential colour change)
I wonder if this has someting to do with these cars being manufacturerd by an outsourced company so that bmw may have less control over the manufacturing process and part/OEM control.
Of course it could also be a result of that the complete seats had to be changed for some reason, thus all leather coverings also had to be changed..
Door trim hasn't changed though.Misano blue G29 Z4 with congac interior looks absolutely stunningmillview22 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:35 pm This is mine...two photos taken under different lighting.
M roady...OEM CSL’s, strut brace, Remus back boxes, ZHP
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
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I’ve seen three G29’s with cognac and they all looked like the second picture. I don’t see the problem. It’s different but not unlikable in that guise. Against blue, black or grey it could be a nice contrast.
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It isn’t a problem, neither is it unlikeable, never said it was, all I said was it looks different now and washed out in comparison to the richer colour of the launch car and personally I don’t like it as much as I did then.
M roady...OEM CSL’s, strut brace, Remus back boxes, ZHP
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
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The top pc looks like the seats are made of cardboard, wouldnt be seen dead in it myself, dreadful.
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If people are wondering why more people don’t post it’s because of threads like this.
I’m a relatively new member, I post a bit, but threads like this put me off. I’m just being honest. I think we all know by now that the OP doesn’t like the G29 and he’s told us this many, many times.
From the outside looking in, why would a G29 owner want to contribute to a forum that’s dominated by a few members who love to tell people how much they don’t like the car that they drive?
I personally do not see the value in threads like this. Forums don’t grow and survive just based on noise. There needs to be meaningful discussion.
This thread could have been ‘has anyone noticed that the seat colours have changed?’, but instead the OP is banging the same old drum to justify why he didn’t end up buying a car that many of us love and enjoy.
How about we change the tone here and be a bit more positive and inclusive? Or should I come onto the E89 forum and say how lucky I am that I no longer own one?
I’m a relatively new member, I post a bit, but threads like this put me off. I’m just being honest. I think we all know by now that the OP doesn’t like the G29 and he’s told us this many, many times.
From the outside looking in, why would a G29 owner want to contribute to a forum that’s dominated by a few members who love to tell people how much they don’t like the car that they drive?
I personally do not see the value in threads like this. Forums don’t grow and survive just based on noise. There needs to be meaningful discussion.
This thread could have been ‘has anyone noticed that the seat colours have changed?’, but instead the OP is banging the same old drum to justify why he didn’t end up buying a car that many of us love and enjoy.
How about we change the tone here and be a bit more positive and inclusive? Or should I come onto the E89 forum and say how lucky I am that I no longer own one?
2020-now: G29 Z4 M40i, Frozen Grey with Cognac, Tech Pack, Visibility Pack and Wind Deflector
2017-2020: Audi TTS
2015-2017: BMW M235i
2014-2015: BMW E89 Z4 23i sDrive Highline
2017-2020: Audi TTS
2015-2017: BMW M235i
2014-2015: BMW E89 Z4 23i sDrive Highline