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- GuidoK
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Yeah
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Neither.
I'm well aware on how BMW ///Markets their ///M products but I'm curious if its the badge that is considered by others or the actual hardware.
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Some people don’t like change, but I agree with you, GuidoK... it’s really how you think about the BMW naming convention. When I think of an M3 or M4 I immediately think of massive initial cost over the rest of the range and massive depreciation. The “M Performance” models seem to be intended to sit at the top of the range between normal models and the “M” model, if one exists. Looking at the BMW website, there’s no M model for the 1 series, X2, X3 or X4 and it sounds like there won’t be an M model for the Z4...
M Performance Models: https://www.bmw.co.uk/bmw-cars/m-performance
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Actually when I think of an /m, I think of a potent engine (the best bmw has to offer?), an LSD, good brakes (semi floating in the last 2 decades), and good handling.
Good handling and potent engine has been proven on the nordschleife (of course you can never have enough power, but the time set is a good time for a bmw as it surpasses the previous m2 time), it has an LSD (stock on the m40i, option on the lower models). It only lacks the semi floating brake discs that most (all?...not sure about x5m etc) M cars have since the e46. But it does have a set of decent brakes, like most m performance cars have the last few years with multipiston aluminium front calipers etc.
So those are the 3 'hardware features' I think an M should have. Especially having an LSD stock is of course a huge step in bmw history. That went away after the e36/z3 era. I dont even know if the current m240i has an LSD. I have seen optional LSD's in dealer packages, but that was not a BMW option (maybe aftermarket?)
Especially the m2/m240i difference was minimal, especially if an lsd is fitted. And I suspect they share a lot with the new z4 platform, so if a z4m would get available the difference might be even less. Depends maybe on the engine it would get; would it be the M2 cs engine or not. I think the M2 should have had that engine from the beginning. It was available, and it fits. Not fitting it was holding the m2 back, a bit like the loathed porsche tactics with the previous cayman s.
The M2 mainly differentiates on a firmer ride, more exhaust noise and a DCT versus automatic imho.
The reason why bmw has ample improvements in 0-62 times compared to previous models is that bmw didnt make the switch to 4wd on these cars (yet). Traction is the all important factor here, not engine power. It seems that that has to sink in yet with Joe Public.
Good handling and potent engine has been proven on the nordschleife (of course you can never have enough power, but the time set is a good time for a bmw as it surpasses the previous m2 time), it has an LSD (stock on the m40i, option on the lower models). It only lacks the semi floating brake discs that most (all?...not sure about x5m etc) M cars have since the e46. But it does have a set of decent brakes, like most m performance cars have the last few years with multipiston aluminium front calipers etc.
So those are the 3 'hardware features' I think an M should have. Especially having an LSD stock is of course a huge step in bmw history. That went away after the e36/z3 era. I dont even know if the current m240i has an LSD. I have seen optional LSD's in dealer packages, but that was not a BMW option (maybe aftermarket?)
Especially the m2/m240i difference was minimal, especially if an lsd is fitted. And I suspect they share a lot with the new z4 platform, so if a z4m would get available the difference might be even less. Depends maybe on the engine it would get; would it be the M2 cs engine or not. I think the M2 should have had that engine from the beginning. It was available, and it fits. Not fitting it was holding the m2 back, a bit like the loathed porsche tactics with the previous cayman s.
The M2 mainly differentiates on a firmer ride, more exhaust noise and a DCT versus automatic imho.
The reason why bmw has ample improvements in 0-62 times compared to previous models is that bmw didnt make the switch to 4wd on these cars (yet). Traction is the all important factor here, not engine power. It seems that that has to sink in yet with Joe Public.
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The US press release doesn't confirm the M40i weights:
The G29 is an all-round bigger car tho... longer, wider and slightly taller.
The G29 is an all-round bigger car tho... longer, wider and slightly taller.
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pah.. i can get to 60mph same day..
If you ever think I'm off my rocker.. Just put me back in it and walk away... It's the kindest thing
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
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My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
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Sorry peeps, the point I am making is simple. The G29 should be better all round, especially as it has had over 5 years of advancement over its last predecessors facelift in 2013 if my facts serve me correct, although I'm sure one of you will correct me otherwise! Why has it no 'x' drive? It should be quicker than a cheetah with an upset tummy! But it's not.
Some of this stuff written here back in 2016 has definetly changed!
https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/06/20/five ... 4-improve/
Some of this stuff written here back in 2016 has definetly changed!
https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/06/20/five ... 4-improve/
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You want an x-drive Z4...? ... I’m sure the good sales people at Audi could talk you into a TTS or TTRS roadster.
Current: 2016 Audi S3 :: Navarra Blue
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Gone: 2004 Z4 2.2i SE :: Maldives Blue