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Post by Burgy100 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:35 am

How comes this is only 0.2s faster than e89 3.5is. Wasn’t it supposed to have lost some weight?
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Post by Marlon » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:12 pm

The two beasts have the same BHP 340 I believe, so the 0.2 seconds must be down to the weight loss :D
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Post by john-e89 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:34 pm

Does it matter though?

If anyone is getting close to the limits on a 35is you’re going to get very familiar with picking tree branches out of your teeth....assuming you survive of course....

From the test Autoweek did the new car is a handling peach, so it should be fabulous in the twisties, surely more important than just straight line shove..?
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Post by Z4 Beemer » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:36 pm

How does fuel economy compare, or emissions, or torque or power figures...?
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Post by EdP » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:57 pm

Marlon wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:12 pm The two beasts have the same BHP 340 I believe, so the 0.2 seconds must be down to the weight loss :D
In the German price list, the G29 40i is 10Kg heavier than the E89 35is :thumbsdown:

M40i. 1610Kg / 3549lbs.

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Post by Marlon » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:10 pm

I agree there's more to sports cars than 0-60 or 0-62, however I'm a sucker for the 'tale of the tape' so to speak. Sure the driving experience is everything, but I need to know acceleration times and bhp on any car before I buy - a leftover from childhood top trumps perhaps :wink: :driving:
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Post by warmasice » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:19 pm

EdP wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:57 pm
Marlon wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:12 pm The two beasts have the same BHP 340 I believe, so the 0.2 seconds must be down to the weight loss :D
In the German price list, the G29 40i is 10Kg heavier than the E89 35is :thumbsdown:

M40i. 1610Kg / 3549lbs.
I thought with a fabric roof it'd weigh less than the e89.

I guess it's going to be more of a quick gt/tourer hence no M car.
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Post by GuidoK » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:26 pm

warmasice wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:19 pm
I guess it's going to be more of a quick gt/tourer hence no M car.
It did a 7:55 on the nordschleife, thats faster than the 1st gen M2.
So they did sort out the handling bit apparantly.
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Post by warmasice » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:53 pm

GuidoK wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:26 pm
warmasice wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:19 pm
I guess it's going to be more of a quick gt/tourer hence no M car.
It did a 7:55 on the nordschleife, thats faster than the 1st gen M2.
So they did sort out the handling bit apparantly.
Yeh read about that. So you'd think there'd be an M car, but apparently not.
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Post by GuidoK » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:54 pm

warmasice wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:53 pm So you'd think there'd be an M car, but apparently not.
Why would you think that?
BMW has denied that for ages.
And what is an 'm' car BTW? According to your definition? Is that only a letter in the name or does that also come with specific hardware?
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Post by buzyg » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:24 pm

GuidoK wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:54 pm
warmasice wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:53 pm So you'd think there'd be an M car, but apparently not.
Why would you think that?
BMW has denied that for ages.
And what is an 'm' car BTW? According to your definition? Is that only a letter in the name or does that also come with specific hardware?
The top z4 is an m40i
An ///M car is a normal fast BMW, like the the new Z4 M40i, that then gets lots of specific hard ware to make it into an even faster and very different kind of BMW. The days of fitting a different engine seem to have gone though, these days it"s clearly cheaper to just turn the wick up on the very fine standard engine. :cry:
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Post by GuidoK » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:29 pm

buzyg wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:24 pm
An ///M car is a normal fast BMW, like the the new Z4 M40i, that then gate lots of specific hard ware to make it into an even faster, better BMW.
And what hardware would that be? What would you like to see on this car that is missing but desperately needs it?
(to me only 1 small thing comes to mind)
The days of fitting a different engine seem to have gone though, these days it"s clearly cheaper to just turn the wick up on the very fine standard engine. :cry:
That day fell when the 1M was launched in 2010, so almost 8 years ago.
And that car is celebrated all around the car community, with having one of the lowest depreciating values of any BMW.
1st gen M2 also didnt have a new 'M' engine and that car was labeled as the e30 M3 spiritual successor.
So it seems that the more iconic M models of the last decade didnt come with that engine you talk about :wink:
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Post by buzyg » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:42 pm

GuidoK wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:29 pm
buzyg wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:24 pm
An ///M car is a normal fast BMW, like the the new Z4 M40i, that then gate lots of specific hard ware to make it into an even faster, better BMW.
And what hardware would that be?
The days of fitting a different engine seem to have gone though, these days it"s clearly cheaper to just turn the wick up on the very fine standard engine. :cry:
That day fell when the 1M was launched in 2010, so almost 8 years ago.
And that car is celebrated all around the car community, with having one of the lowest depreciating values of any BMW.
1st gen M2 also didnt have a new 'M' engine and that car was labeled as the e30 M3 spiritual successor.
So it seems that the more iconic M models of the last decade didnt come with that engine you talk about :wink:
I have no idea what the difference is between a fast 1series and a 1M.

As the only BMW I have ever taken a proper liking to, I have a rough idea of the difference between a Z4 3.0i and a Z4M and they are considerable to the point that the two cars have very different characters. One is a very fine fast sports car and the other is a bit of a beast. :driving: :thumbsup:
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Post by GuidoK » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:51 pm

buzyg wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:42 pm As the only BMW I have ever taken a proper liking to, I have a rough idea of the difference between a Z4 3.0i and a Z4M and they are considerable to the point that the two cars have very different characters. One is a very fine fast sports car and the other is a bit of a beast. :driving: :thumbsup:
So you're now narrowing your opinion on M cars down to solely the difference between the z4 3.0i and z4m on the e85 platform.
Thats fine by me but both cars have very little to do with the new z4 m40i, as they probably share very very few parts.
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Post by buzyg » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:54 pm

GuidoK wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:51 pm
buzyg wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:42 pm As the only BMW I have ever taken a proper liking to, I have a rough idea of the difference between a Z4 3.0i and a Z4M and they are considerable to the point that the two cars have very different characters. One is a very fine fast sports car and the other is a bit of a beast. :driving: :thumbsup:
So you're now narrowing your opinion on M cars down to solely the difference between the z4 3.0i and z4m on the e85 platform.
Thats fine by me but both cars have very little to do with the new z4 m40i, as they probably share very very few parts.
Bored now. :wink:
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