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Post by markeg » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:01 pm

Number5 wrote:Interesting read, thanks Ewazix
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Post by Rich-hill » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:09 pm

That is interesting.

I've always wondered where it goes, without actually leaking, and why some engines use loads and others don't.

My old Z4 3.0si never used any oil in the 2 years I had it, as a daily driver covering approx 28,000 miles.

The Alpina seems to have used 2 litres in less than 3,000 miles

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Post by derin100 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:58 pm

markeg wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:59 am
Mine switched to 10w60 when it reached 80k miles - the Alpina bulletin basically recommends the standard 00w30 or 10w60, but I was informed that 10w60 is better at the higher mileage.

The downside is that you lose some power due to the thicker oil (again, its not something I've noticed as I don't "rag" #108), but the upside is my oil consumption is very low - I've done around 5000 miles since the last service and only topped up with around 0.5 ltr.

Oh, and the Alpina bulletin:

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I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm about to have an Oil Service done on the Alpina and that bulletin has got me confused as to which oil to buy.

I assumed on initial reading that the correct oil was Castrol Edge 0W -30.

On re-reading the bulletin it also says Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60 and lists the Roadster S amongst those cars?
Does this just mean that "as an alternative to 0W-30, TWS Motorsport 10W-60 could beused" ?

In other words, which is the correct oil?

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Post by PerryGunn » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:19 pm

Alpina recommend 0w30 or 10w60 I've just cut'n'pasted this from an earlier thread on the subject which explains things - in reality anything between the two that meets BMW LL04 spec should still be fine
PerryGunn wrote:
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markeg wrote:Hmm. Appears they've changed their tune - when I asked, I was told that whilst it had always been Sytner's policy to recommend 10w60 for high mileage roadsters, when the document came out they said that they were now recommending it for all roadster engines in line with Alpina's recommendations and not just high mileage/excessive consumption ones. I had questioned which oil was best after a discussion with Ade, then with the Sytner's service lead, after I had already switched to 10w60 on their recommendation.

Having said that, I don't think I would switch back. I've had no issues with excessive consumption, engine performs as well as it always has, and have not seen any difference in mpg.
Annoying when two people ask the same question and get different answers :( although it's possible that the person I spoke to was quoting the old line on oil. I think it's the 'We recommend also...' line that causes the confusion as it implies that 10w60 is an alternative oil for the cars in the list, if it read 'For the following cars we recommend...' then there'd be no confusion - I know you speak German so is it less ambiguous in the German text?

I had a similar discussion with Ade and his opinion was that 10w60 was a bit thick for the oil pathways in the B3s engine hence why, because of his high oil consumption issues, he had discussions with people who really 'know their oil' and settled on something around 5w40 (IIRC it was a mix of a couple of grades) as a good compromise.

#320's tucked away for the winter now but once I'm back from holiday I think I'll send an email to Axel Rimpler to see if he can clarify Alpina's recommendation.
Well I found time to send Axel an email before I went on holiday and got home to find that I'd received the reply quoted below - in short it looks like ALPINA are happy for either grade of oil to be used and leave the customer to decide which is the most appropriate for their engine.
In a reply to my email Axel Rimpler wrote: Dear Mr. Gunn,

thank you very much for your e-mail.

We recommend Longlife 04 specification for the BMW ALPINA B3 S and BMW ALPINA Roadster S or the special 10W-60 oil:
Castrol Edge Professional1) SAE 10W-60 Castrol Limited
Castrol EDGE SAE 10W-60 Castrol Limited

For the longlife 04, we recommend:
Castrol Edge Professional LL04 SAE 0W-30 Castrol Limited

Best regards

Axel Rimpler
Leiter Produktion / Head of Production
Leiter Kundendienst / Head of Customer Service
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Alpenstraße 35-37
D - 86807 Buchloe
So, to me at least, it looks like Sytner were pretty accurate when they said
In an earlier post I wrote: that Alpina support the use of either grade of oil with the thicker oil being particularly suitable for higher-mileage engines or engines that exhibit excessive oil consumption. They added that if the owner didn't express a preference they would now use 10w60 at a service as the majority of B3S engines consume more oil as they get older/higher mileage
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Post by derin100 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:35 pm

Thank you, Perry ! :thumbsup:
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Post by MefiEcosse » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:16 pm

Does this sound right then guys? this is what local Indy have sent me.

Oil wise I would run this on the Castrol FST 10w60 same as we use in the E46 M3 S54 engines. The capacity is 6.5 litres. Gearbox and differential oil 3l Castrol Syntrax.
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Post by PerryGunn » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:30 pm

MefiEcosse wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:16 pm
Does this sound right then guys? this is what local Indy have sent me.

Oil wise I would run this on the Castrol FST 10w60 same as we use in the E46 M3 S54 engines. The capacity is 6.5 litres. Gearbox and differential oil 3l Castrol Syntrax.
When manufactured, Alpina recommended LL04 Castrol 0w30 for the 3.4S engine. As the engines have got older and started to burn a bit more oil, they've said that 10w60 is also a supported grade - in practice this means that anything between 0w30 and 10w60 will be fine as long as it meets the BMW LL04 spec.

I still use 0w30 but if you're concerned about high oil consumption then you could go with the 10w60 but I'd probably try an intermediate grade LL04 oil first, e.g. Castrol Edge 5w40, to see if that lowers oil consumption to an acceptable level.
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Post by MefiEcosse » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:43 pm

PerryGunn wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:30 pm
MefiEcosse wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:16 pm
Does this sound right then guys? this is what local Indy have sent me.

Oil wise I would run this on the Castrol FST 10w60 same as we use in the E46 M3 S54 engines. The capacity is 6.5 litres. Gearbox and differential oil 3l Castrol Syntrax.
When manufactured, Alpina recommended LL04 Castrol 0w30 for the 3.4S engine. As the engines have got older and started to burn a bit more oil, they've said that 10w60 is also a supported grade - in practice this means that anything between 0w30 and 10w60 will be fine as long as it meets the BMW LL04 spec.

I still use 0w30 but if you're concerned about high oil consumption then you could go with the 10w60 but I'd probably try an intermediate grade LL04 oil first, e.g. Castrol Edge 5w40, to see if that lowers oil consumption to an acceptable level.
:lol: I haven't done enough miles yet to notice oil consumption but I'll have a chat with him before it goes in end of next month. It was allegedly serviced by dealer I bought it from last year with 0w30 but I'm booked in for inspection 2.
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Post by PerryGunn » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:00 pm

MefiEcosse wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:43 pm
PerryGunn wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:30 pm
MefiEcosse wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:16 pm
Does this sound right then guys? this is what local Indy have sent me.

Oil wise I would run this on the Castrol FST 10w60 same as we use in the E46 M3 S54 engines. The capacity is 6.5 litres. Gearbox and differential oil 3l Castrol Syntrax.
When manufactured, Alpina recommended LL04 Castrol 0w30 for the 3.4S engine. As the engines have got older and started to burn a bit more oil, they've said that 10w60 is also a supported grade - in practice this means that anything between 0w30 and 10w60 will be fine as long as it meets the BMW LL04 spec.

I still use 0w30 but if you're concerned about high oil consumption then you could go with the 10w60 but I'd probably try an intermediate grade LL04 oil first, e.g. Castrol Edge 5w40, to see if that lowers oil consumption to an acceptable level.
:lol: I haven't done enough miles yet to notice oil consumption but I'll have a chat with him before it goes in end of next month. It was allegedly serviced by dealer I bought it from last year with 0w30 but I'm booked in for inspection 2.
When I bought #320, Sytner had used 10w60 at the last oil service - they said that they now use this unless the customer expresses a preference. I'd chatted with Ade Flint about oil grades and, following his advice, swapped it out for 0w30 and the difference was noticeable
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Post by jayhay548 » Sat May 18, 2019 8:49 pm

I spent a long time researching. I knew the 0-30 original recommendation but then Munich legends said 10-60. Opie-oils recommended some top-spec 5-40 oil (I chose millers cfs) which in my mind splits the difference. Have to say mine (#160) uses NO oil at all but I still plan on changing oil and filter every 5000miles which is probably annual.
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