Stolen M140is

[Nictrix]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would tell their insurance or the old bill they willingly gave their keys over, with amount off knife crime in London nowadays would be far better off saying you had a knife put to you. And I certainly wouldn't let some manbag scummer anywhere near my motors

So if you were selling your car and the person who turned up who seemed genuine was wearing some kind of apparel you didn't like, you would tell them to jog on? I doubt that very much.

I have thought this myself, it doesnt matter what someone looks like if they are giving you a stash of cash.
I sold a sports bike years ago and when the guy turned up to take it away he had waterproof gear for touring and a flip style helmet, not what you would really wear on a sports bike in sunny weather, but he handed over what I was looking for and off he went on his merry way.
Stories like this though are good as they make you think about the possibilities of this happening.

[Nictrix]

That may be why adverts often say nobody can drive the car without proof of comprehensive insurance in place.

I dont think someone showing proof of insurance is a guarantee that they wont steal your car.
Its not like you will take a copy of their insurance policy and then try to claim on it.

[Rucky]

Adrian Flux had a clause for everything, did me on a motorbike policy 40 years ago when it was Mr Flux himself!!
A good insurer does exactly what it says - insures you.
If a thief robs you he robs you.
Police and ANPR are very good - have faith

[1536Z4]

Especially if they had a manbag, and if I still lived in Sutton.

A man bag in Sutton !!! That`s my old neck of the woods and my mates would have ripped the s**t out of me if I had a man bag . Couldn`t have been a local .

[andy.c]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would tell their insurance or the old bill they willingly gave their keys over, with amount off knife crime in London nowadays would be far better off saying you had a knife put to you. And I certainly wouldn't let some manbag scummer anywhere near my motors

So if you were selling your car and the person who turned up who seemed genuine was wearing some kind of apparel you didn't like, you would tell them to jog on? I doubt that very much.

I grew up in a hood in London and can spot a hood rat at 100 paces, no hoodrat is coming to buy a motor like that unless they're the local coke dealer and then they generally don't dress like a hood rats and certainly aren't stupid enough to chore a motor off someone's driveway like that.
The fella must have been a bit soft in the head to just hand over his car keys like that

[TitanTim]

To be fair the original story isn't clear what happened.

Sounds to me they were both in the car, thief in the driver's seat and the owner handed the key over but the thief then wanted to move the car off the drive and I'm reading it that the owner might have been concerned as the drive was steep or something so wanted to move the car off the drive himself so got out the car to swap seat to move the car and of course the thief then just drove off. Split second lapse and could happen to anyone really.

But yes handing the key over and getting back out the car was an error. Will be interesting how the insurer handles it as technically the key was freely handed over, but is there any difference to leaving the car running on the drive in winter to defrost and unattended?

I guess asking for identification i.e. passport or driver's licence or and proof off address might have made a difference.

Tim.

[Ole gits rule]

I have had this conversation with several people, re: insurance. This is "exceptional circumstances", the chap was selling his car. What was he supposed to do? Say to the prospective purchaser "you can come and look at the car but you can't get in it, start it, get within 6 feet of the keys". It's just not viable when selling a car, or you will never sell it.

If this chap is £25,000 out of pocket (which could ruin a lot of people) because a thief nicked his car, then there is something seriously wrong with the world.

While I agree with this in general, the only way this should happen is if I have my butt in the passenger seat, then the guy gets the keys and is allowed to move the car.

As soon as I get out the keys come with me.

Feel for the guy and I hope the insurance pays out as technically he did not leave his keys in the car.

[Smartbear]

To be fair the original story isn't clear what happened.

Sounds to me they were both in the car, thief in the driver's seat and the owner handed the key over but the thief then wanted to move the car off the drive and I'm reading it that the owner might have been concerned as the drive was steep or something so wanted to move the car off the drive himself so got out the car to swap seat to move the car and of course the thief then just drove off. Split second lapse and could happen to anyone really.

But yes handing the key over and getting back out the car was an error. Will be interesting how the insurer handles it as technically the key was freely handed over, but is there any difference to leaving the car running on the drive in winter to defrost and unattended?

I guess asking for identification i.e. passport or driver's licence or and proof off address might have made a difference.

Tim.

I think you’d be on thin ice leaving an unattended car on the driveway to defrost, the only thing that could make it worse is a giant sign saying PLEASE NICK ME!
Rob

[TitanTim]

To be fair the original story isn't clear what happened.

Sounds to me they were both in the car, thief in the driver's seat and the owner handed the key over but the thief then wanted to move the car off the drive and I'm reading it that the owner might have been concerned as the drive was steep or something so wanted to move the car off the drive himself so got out the car to swap seat to move the car and of course the thief then just drove off. Split second lapse and could happen to anyone really.

But yes handing the key over and getting back out the car was an error. Will be interesting how the insurer handles it as technically the key was freely handed over, but is there any difference to leaving the car running on the drive in winter to defrost and unattended?

I guess asking for identification i.e. passport or driver's licence or and proof off address might have made a difference.

Tim.

I think you’d be on thin ice leaving an unattended car on the driveway to defrost, the only thing that could make it worse is a giant sign saying PLEASE NICK ME!
Rob

Agree Rob, think you would be lucky to steer a successful insurance claim leaving the car unattended on the drive.

This is interesting,

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/ ... -deception

In this case its similar to the second story of giving the keys away and not taking enough care to prevent theft

Tim.

[Pondrew]

Stories like this though are good as they make you think about the possibilities of this happening.

Or potentially scare everybody into not trusting anyone ever again, especially when it comes to selling cars. Playing into dealers' hands even more .

[Nictrix]

To be fair the original story isn't clear what happened.

Sounds to me they were both in the car, thief in the driver's seat and the owner handed the key over but the thief then wanted to move the car off the drive and I'm reading it that the owner might have been concerned as the drive was steep or something so wanted to move the car off the drive himself so got out the car to swap seat to move the car and of course the thief then just drove off. Split second lapse and could happen to anyone really.

But yes handing the key over and getting back out the car was an error. Will be interesting how the insurer handles it as technically the key was freely handed over, but is there any difference to leaving the car running on the drive in winter to defrost and unattended?

I guess asking for identification i.e. passport or driver's licence or and proof off address might have made a difference.

Tim.

I think you’d be on thin ice leaving an unattended car on the driveway to defrost, the only thing that could make it worse is a giant sign saying PLEASE NICK ME!
Rob

Im sure its also illegal as you are leaving a running car unattended

[Smartbear]

To be fair the original story isn't clear what happened.

Sounds to me they were both in the car, thief in the driver's seat and the owner handed the key over but the thief then wanted to move the car off the drive and I'm reading it that the owner might have been concerned as the drive was steep or something so wanted to move the car off the drive himself so got out the car to swap seat to move the car and of course the thief then just drove off. Split second lapse and could happen to anyone really.

But yes handing the key over and getting back out the car was an error. Will be interesting how the insurer handles it as technically the key was freely handed over, but is there any difference to leaving the car running on the drive in winter to defrost and unattended?

I guess asking for identification i.e. passport or driver's licence or and proof off address might have made a difference.

Tim.

I think you’d be on thin ice leaving an unattended car on the driveway to defrost, the only thing that could make it worse is a giant sign saying PLEASE NICK ME!
Rob

Im sure its also illegal as you are leaving a running car unattended

Illegal on a public road but on your own property surely it’s a different matter?
Rob

[Nictrix]

I think you’d be on thin ice leaving an unattended car on the driveway to defrost, the only thing that could make it worse is a giant sign saying PLEASE NICK ME!
Rob

Im sure its also illegal as you are leaving a running car unattended

Illegal on a public road but on your own property surely it’s a different matter?
Rob

Probably right