CCTV Costs?

[TitanTim]

Ring Cam hooked up to a solar panel linked to Alexa, job done.

The Neos cams are good as well which pick up movement through glass, mains powered and linked to Alexa when movement sensed.

All inexpensive and work well.

Tim.

[ihadablackdog]

Ring Cam hooked up to a solar panel linked to Alexa, job done.

The Neos cams are good as well which pick up movement through glass, mains powered and linked to Alexa when movement sensed.

All inexpensive and work well.

Tim.

We have the ring doorbell camera which works well for it’s purpose but don’t want to get deeper into that ecosystem, but yes,like a lot of similar systems, they are easy to do.

[ihadablackdog]

Thank you to everyone who’s taken the time so far to post, can’t reply to all of them, but they are appreciated.

[PDJ]

Here is an image from my fixed and PTZ cameras at 3am with the street light on (20mph sign)

Was going to file too big maybe try harder latter

[sp3ctre]

That’s the other thing I’m not sure about is the lens, 2.8 being wide angle I read that that the person has to be quite close to be seen properly?

See my chart in my last post

Blue Iris though needs a pc (cheaper then nvr) but doesn’t that just put all the cameras on the main network then, with bandwidth concerns?

Yes it does, but with gigabit LAN it doesn't cause too much trouble. Also, you could plug the PC and cameras into the same switch and then the rest of your network won't be affected.

[M1k3yC]

Blue Iris though needs a pc (cheaper then nvr) but doesn’t that just put all the cameras on the main network then, with bandwidth concerns?

Two of mine use my wired network because they are too far from the NVR to go directly there. It's gigabit and I don't have any issues, either. They connect to a PoE switch, then my broadband router (it's not the one my ISP provided, I upgraded it), and then on somewhere else. This is the best solution for me given other requirements and constraints that I have - I am not recommending this necessarily! Look at it this way, unless you need all the bandwidth you can eat to transfer large amounts of data between other devices on your LAN then you should have way more bandwidth left on a gigabit network than your internet connection can deliver, which is what most people actually care about.

[Timmyboybunter]

Also need to spare a thought for GDPR and what you're allowed to film - a point I'm amazed how many people simply ignore.

If you stick to the letter of the law (but correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no expert) then you're only allowed to film within your own boundary (and visitors to that same boundary) to be outside of GDPR requirements.

If you're filming outside your boundary - to other properties, the street, communal areas etc etc then a) you need a sign up stating that you have CCTV and b) you need to be able to demonstrate you store the footage securely (which rules out SD card storage, for example, for all the cheap and cheeful options) and c) you need to be able to respond to GDPR requests from people i.e. providing access to footage, deleting any identifiable footage etc etc.

I'm only conscious about it at the moment, as I've recently changed our old PTZ camera for a Wyze Cam V3 (well, 4 of them ) as they're ridiculously cheap, have a great picture at night etc etc - but again, they record to SD card (optionally) and it's very difficult to angle them, out the front at least, to be compliant with the law and capture anything useful.

Yes I'm overly paranoid but one of my neighbours has made it very clear he is not a fan of the camera, so I need to mindful.

Same rule applies to e.g. dashcams. How many dashcam owners do you think can claim secure storage and also have a sign on their car informing the public the're being filmed?

[ihadablackdog]

Fair points about bandwidth...I only do a bit of surfing, email and pornhub....ahem, I meant YouTube so no where near filling that bandwidth, I was thinking perhaps the cameras generated too much traffic.

I also read that higher resolution cameras aren’t always best? Would’ve thought they gave better clarity to zoom after the event etc?

Nighttime lighting is an issue...street lights turn off here overnight and not sure how good ir is? Any camera needs light of some sort, are the night colour ones really that good? I’d rather have a clear black and white image that clearly shows the face than know what colour boxers he’s wearing.

I looked at gdpr yesterday and it said if it’s just your property then not an issue. If it’s covering public space then I think a sign is enough but pointing direct at a neighbour is not and they can complain.

It suggested showing the neighbours what’s being recorded so they can be assured. My neighbour has several and asked if we mind him putting one on the side of his house cos it would cover part of our patio. No problem with that as it might benefit us at some point. If he wants to perv at my moobs then he’s a weirdo!

Lady opposite me is a child minder so I will be over cautious there to ensure I don’t film anything that could be questioned, and I will definitely make a point of showing her what the coverage is, just in case she gets a complaint from someone, but all it is is kids who are probably 5yrs and up getting out of a car each morning etc, but definitely another thing to take account of.

[mgrlane]

Also need to spare a thought for GDPR and what you're allowed to film - a point I'm amazed how many people simply ignore.

If you stick to the letter of the law (but correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no expert) then you're only allowed to film within your own boundary (and visitors to that same boundary) to be outside of GDPR requirements.

If you're filming outside your boundary - to other properties, the street, communal areas etc etc then a) you need a sign up stating that you have CCTV and b) you need to be able to demonstrate you store the footage securely (which rules out SD card storage, for example, for all the cheap and cheeful options) and c) you need to be able to respond to GDPR requests from people i.e. providing access to footage, deleting any identifiable footage etc etc.

I'm only conscious about it at the moment, as I've recently changed our old PTZ camera for a Wyze Cam V3 (well, 4 of them ) as they're ridiculously cheap, have a great picture at night etc etc - but again, they record to SD card (optionally) and it's very difficult to angle them, out the front at least, to be compliant with the law and capture anything useful.

Yes I'm overly paranoid but one of my neighbours has made it very clear he is not a fan of the camera, so I need to mindful.

Same rule applies to e.g. dashcams. How many dashcam owners do you think can claim secure storage and also have a sign on their car informing the public the're being filmed?

I thought you were allowed to film in a public place and the issue was having a camera that points into someone else's private property?

Kind of like you can take pictures of someone in the street but couldn't take one through someones kitchen window?

Sounds like a right nightmare- our next door neighbours camera points towards our property and if anything I see it as an extra layer of security for us because if they disable our camera then hopefully they are caught on theirs.

[sp3ctre]

With most CCTV software you can black out certain areas that you don't want filmed, like this:

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[Timmyboybunter]

Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/do ... sing-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)

[sp3ctre]

Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/do ... sing-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)

Just tell him it's for live viewing only and nothing is recorded... what's he gonna do?

[mgrlane]

Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/do ... sing-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)

Christ.

I have just read through that- World has gone mad.

"Are there other things I could use to protect my home, such as better lighting?"

It's alright lads- you can protect yourself and property from vampires. I am surprised they don't mention in the article about putting a ring of salt around your boundary's.... and perhaps a silver cross by the front door.

[ihadablackdog]

Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/do ... sing-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)

Christ.

I have just read through that- World has gone mad.

"Are there other things I could use to protect my home, such as better lighting?"

It's alright lads- you can protect yourself and property from vampires. I am surprised they don't mention in the article about putting a ring of salt around your boundary's.... and perhaps a silver cross by the front door.

....and some lion dung to keep the cat-burglars out (cat-burglars, see what I did there).

I think that’s the doc I read yesterday (haven’t re read it).

I think common sense will go in your favour regarding what you record. With most things gdpr etc it’s showing you have a reason for the data (video) and don’t keep it longer than you need.

So you can justify covering your driveway and some of the public highway and keeping it for, say 3weeks, but couldn’t justify filming into your neighbours enclosed garden and keeping it for years. Gets a bit grey when your filming your garden and it’s unavoidable to catch some of his in the frame, but then that blanking out feature/software could deal with that.

When putting a sign up saying filming in progress (or whatever appropriate wording is), how prevalent does it need to be? A little sticker on the front door so that people coming to the front door know, or something visible from the street?

[Timmyboybunter]

Just tell him it's for live viewing only and nothing is recorded... what's he gonna do?

That was my knee jerk reaction (actually my 2nd; my first reaction was to lamp him but that passed) but I literally wouldn't put anything past him - paranoid I know, but I wouldn't want to find myself explaining to the ICO, who conducted a stealth visit after a tip-off, why my 'live viewing only' device is happily recording to an SD card.

Sounds ridiculous but I'm playing it safe currently - I think I can rig a couple of them up in different spots to capture more meaningful images whilst remaining outside GDPR. I am stubborn however so I haven't ruled out making myself fully GDPR compliant and resuming filming wherever I want to pretty much.

I have just read through that- World has gone mad.
"Are there other things I could use to protect my home, such as better lighting?"

Yes some of the suggestions are ridiculous. "Do you really NEED to capture footage?" Well, yes otherwise I wouldn't be on this stupid website reading what the rules are!