Removal of Statues

[mackharry]

For those who are happy to vandalise our public monuments, I would like to ask them which persons they think should be memorialised to replace the voids they leave behind?

I cannot think of many people that we erect monuments to honour, nowadays, but I agree it is a drastic way to remove bird s**t from a statue of someone I hadn't heard of until they toppled it and threw it into the water.

How about putting an object that we all admire on the plinth rather than a person, say a zed for instance. Obviously a roadie tho, not a coupe, that would be terrible.

[exdos]

How about putting an object that we all admire on the plinth rather than a person, say a zed for instance. Obviously a roadie tho, not a coupe, that would be terrible.

As long as it's Phoenix Yellow. No doubt some will complain its the wrong paint.

[Vornwend]

So, let me get this right, because someone or their parents or their parents parents chose to come to the UK from a pace that was worse they have to accept inequality, just suck it up and stop complaining, be grateful? The only way you can be treated fairly is to be born here and have immediate ancestors here (or white perhaps?).

Not what I said at all. Anyone wishing to leave one country to go and live in another has plenty of different countries to choose from, so if they pick the UK, they must think this country is the best place for them despite all it's injustices. This country is NOT, nor does it pretend to be, Shangri-La. I'm sure that a good proportion of non-BAME people can also claim they've been overlooked both individually and in the communities in which they live, in their education and career opportunities for a host of reasons. Skin-colour is not the only reason for any unfairness, ask many women the same.

Even if they had a choice and it was the best place for them it does not excuse discrimination - that still remains a problem to be addressed doesn't it?

You are right to say that its not just skin colour. I don't imagine it will ever be possible to remove all forms of discrimination but the more we expose it, increase our awareness of it and work to reduce it the better off we will all be IMO. You don't get the best out of people by discriminating. One of the most powerful lessons I learnt in my career was that if you walk past a problem then that is the same as accepting it. I think there is a problem and I think the protests that flare up are evidence of that (alongside all the hard data). Protest is a catalyst for change - whether that be giving women the vote, abolishing slavery, equal pay, the right to a state education etc etc If a few statues and ancient TV programmes get ditched along the way towards racial equality well then for me that's a tiny price to pay - and I speak as a huge Fawlty Towers fan!!

[exdos]

Even if they had a choice and it was the best place for them it does not excuse discrimination - that still remains a problem to be addressed doesn't it?

You are right to say that its not just skin colour. I don't imagine it will ever be possible to remove all forms of discrimination but the more we expose it, increase our awareness of it and work to reduce it the better off we will all be IMO. You don't get the best out of people by discriminating. One of the most powerful lessons I learnt in my career was that if you walk past a problem then that is the same as accepting it. I think there is a problem and I think the protests that flare up are evidence of that (alongside all the hard data). Protest is a catalyst for change - whether that be giving women the vote, abolishing slavery, equal pay, the right to a state education etc etc If a few statues and ancient TV programmes get ditched along the way towards racial equality well then for me that's a tiny price to pay - and I speak as a huge Fawlty Towers fan!!

I do NOT condone discrimination of any kind as a political strategy for possibly the same reasons that you do. However, what we are all up against is the instinctive tribal and territorial behaviour of our species, Homo Sapiens. We are hard-wired to behave as we do because it is our instinct which runs deep in us all and it's all about survival of one's own: the selfish gene.

Whilst it is laudable to share what you have with strangers, in a survival situation, it is not the best strategy of the species. Therefore it is contra-instinctive for people to behave in an idealistic way.

Is the ultimate result of attempting to create racial equality the fulfilment of the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan?

[maxman]

These statues are fighting back

[exdos]

Should there be a statue of the late Dame Vera Lynn?

[Dav the wheel nut]

Should there be a statue of the late Dame Vera Lynn?

Definitely not...…...she sang about The White Cliffs of Dover

[john-e89]

Should there be a statue of the late Dame Vera Lynn?

Definitely not...…...she sang about The White Cliffs of Dover

The BITCH....!!!! How dare she...!!

Does make me wonder how much longer car manufacturers will offer new white cars.....seriously....that’s how mad it’s got.

[Smartbear]

Should there be a statue of the late Dame Vera Lynn?

Definitely not...…...she sang about The White Cliffs of Dover

The BITCH....!!!! How dare she...!!

Does make me wonder how much longer car manufacturers will offer new white cars.....seriously....that’s how mad it’s got.

I’ve got black tyres John, I’m now having to avoid puddles in case anyone’s looking
Rob

[john-e89]

Definitely not...…...she sang about The White Cliffs of Dover

The BITCH....!!!! How dare she...!!

Does make me wonder how much longer car manufacturers will offer new white cars.....seriously....that’s how mad it’s got.

I’ve got black tyres John, I’m now having to avoid puddles in case anyone’s looking
Rob

So your black tyres are in contact with the road and getting worn out and potentially fatality damaged whereas your white bodywork is kept clean and waxed and only subject to the odd stonechip once in a blue moon.....I’d get out before you get slaughtered by the rent a mob Rob.....

[enuff_zed]

Definitely not...…...she sang about The White Cliffs of Dover

The BITCH....!!!! How dare she...!!

Does make me wonder how much longer car manufacturers will offer new white cars.....seriously....that’s how mad it’s got.

I’ve got black tyres John, I’m now having to avoid puddles in case anyone’s looking
Rob

I've just discovered my car has a slave cylinder!
I'm currently on my way to Bristol to drive it into the dock!

[Smartbear]

The BITCH....!!!! How dare she...!!

Does make me wonder how much longer car manufacturers will offer new white cars.....seriously....that’s how mad it’s got.

I’ve got black tyres John, I’m now having to avoid puddles in case anyone’s looking
Rob

I've just discovered my car has a slave cylinder!
I'm currently on my way to Bristol to drive it into the dock!

https://youtu.be/rTVjnBo96Ug
Rob

[enuff_zed]

I’ve got black tyres John, I’m now having to avoid puddles in case anyone’s looking
Rob

I've just discovered my car has a slave cylinder!
I'm currently on my way to Bristol to drive it into the dock!

https://youtu.be/rTVjnBo96Ug
Rob

Excellent riposte Mr Bear!

[john-e89]

I've just discovered my car has a slave cylinder!
I'm currently on my way to Bristol to drive it into the dock!

https://youtu.be/rTVjnBo96Ug
Rob

Excellent riposte Mr Bear!

Indeed...!

[Smartbear]

https://youtu.be/rTVjnBo96Ug
Rob

Excellent riposte Mr Bear!

Indeed...!

Think of your ribs John, don’t laugh!
Rob