CV-19 day 44 / light at the end ?

[exdos]

The government is firmly in the frame for all of these although it might be conceded that our testing capability was a more long standing problem.

There's an even bigger epidemic in our country than C-19 and that's obesity. We've had home testing for this condition for generations - a set of bathroom scales! Obesity was a relatively uncommon condition when I were a lad, but now we've got a Nanny State a good proportion of our population don't seem to bother to use the scales now. Whenever you see obese people interviewed, they always seem to blame anything and everything except themselves for the state in which they now find themselves.

Is this our government's fault too, or is it the fault of the individual for eating too much and exercising too little?

[ronk]

The press do the same to every party when they are in power and they have reported on the opposition lot as well, albeit not as much.
Cummings is more important at the moment as he is a rule writer (the stay at home rule writer) hence the extra media storm -Thats what happens Im afraid.
Cummings would be aware what would happen if he was found out and he took that risk as would the rest of them.

They only want to sell papers

We complain about the press but where do we get our information to formulate our opinions if not the press? - Im sure there can't be many who read Hansard.

[ronk]

They did allow allow two mass gatherings that I can think of !
Cheltenham Horse Racing an Liverpool Football! It’s been accepted this was a mistake and a source of a spread.

People already knew of the pandemic before the Cheltenham Festival and Liverpool Football match. True, the government could've prevented those gatherings from taking place, but equally, anyone who did attend had the right and opportunity to stay away. How much nannying does the public need? Is everything now always the government's or someone else's fault?

People knew of it but I don't think realised what the implications were.
Im afraid I can't see the logic of allowing 1,000 of supporters from a infection hot spot can be seen as logical nor the Cheltenham festival.
How was the public meant to formulate its opinion about these events?

I hear what you say about the nanny state - but I also heard the same complaints about Crash helmets, Seat belts and the Breathalyser. The trouble with common sense is unfortunately it's not too common.

[exdos]

People knew of it but I don't think realised what the implications were.
Im afraid I can't see the logic of allowing 1,000 of supporters from a infection hot spot can be seen as logical nor the Cheltenham festival.
How was the public meant to formulate its opinion about these events?

How much do people need to be told before they recognise a risk to themselves and decide to act to protect themselves, if not others as well? I'm afraid that I take the attitude of: "If you fall off that wall and break your leg, don't come running to me!"

I hear what you say about the nanny state - but I also heard the same complaints about Crash helmets, Seat belts and the Breathalyser. The trouble with common sense is that its not too common.

I've previously posted that over 50% of the population have below average intelligence, and that the average seems to be pretty low. A lot of people simply can't or won't be told and never learn.

[ronk]

I've previously posted that over 50% of the population have below average intelligence, and that the average seems to be pretty low. A lot of people simply can't or won't be told and never learn.

I agree with that 100% and that is why we live with the Govt making the rule for us all because they no common sense.
The recent UK demonstrations against events in the USA seem to indicate that there are people who have forgotten the social distancing message already. They will never learn

[exdos]

The recent UK demonstrations against events in the USA seem to indicate that there are people who have forgotten the social distancing message already. They will never learn

Exactly.

Thousands of people standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the streets, holding placards stating "...LIVES MATTER" whilst they're supposed to observe a 2 metre distancing Regulation because of the C-19 epidemic in order to "SAVE LIVES" is more than a little ironic.

[Vornwend]

The government is firmly in the frame for all of these although it might be conceded that our testing capability was a more long standing problem.

There's an even bigger epidemic in our country than C-19 and that's obesity. We've had home testing for this condition for generations - a set of bathroom scales! Obesity was a relatively uncommon condition when I were a lad, but now we've got a Nanny State a good proportion of our population don't seem to bother to use the scales now. Whenever you see obese people interviewed, they always seem to blame anything and everything except themselves for the state in which they now find themselves.

Is this our government's fault too, or is it the fault of the individual for eating too much and exercising too little?

Of course not but trying to respond to a new virus strain (with far from perfect knowledge of its epidemiology) is not something you can expect the public to know how to best deal with however intelligent they may be. We all relied on our government to make the right calls at the right time and they got it very wrong, especially so at the beginning.

[john-e89]

The government is firmly in the frame for all of these although it might be conceded that our testing capability was a more long standing problem.

There's an even bigger epidemic in our country than C-19 and that's obesity. We've had home testing for this condition for generations - a set of bathroom scales! Obesity was a relatively uncommon condition when I were a lad, but now we've got a Nanny State a good proportion of our population don't seem to bother to use the scales now. Whenever you see obese people interviewed, they always seem to blame anything and everything except themselves for the state in which they now find themselves.

Is this our government's fault too, or is it the fault of the individual for eating too much and exercising too little?

Of course not but trying to respond to a new virus strain (with far from perfect knowledge of its epidemiology) is not something you can expect the public to know how to best deal with however intelligent they may be. We all relied on our government to make the right calls at the right time and they got it very wrong, especially so at the beginning.

Well the public certainly know as much about the virus as anyone else now and are they behaving....??

Stupid as stupid gets...with this mentality we may as well forget the whole thing, open everything and let the virus do whatever it wants because with this behaviour it’s going nowhere, and don’t give the line about things being relaxed slightly so it’s the govt’s fault yet again, they never said go and do as you like on a nice sunnyday people. The pics just show my earlier post about lack of common sense and when it’s raining for a couple of weeks, these beach loving knuckle draggers will be shouting in anger that they’ve got the virus and are skint and where’s they’re handouts. FFS.

[Pbondar]

Given the earliest known dates suggested for the origin it seems implausible that so many people, hundreds of thousands were effected in the UK so early..plus..even though many people did have really bad attacks, very few died, unlike with COVID-19

Not sure why you think its a "conspiracy theory" i think its pretty much been proved people died in 2019 with CV19 present & as with a majority it most likely wasn't the cause of death but was a contributor & id like to know just how you based your theory that "very few died" when the death rate figures of the ONS for the last quarter of 2019 suggest different


1.Main points
.Death registrations in Quarter 4 2019
In Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019, there were 129,821 deaths registered in England. This was 8,674 more deaths than Quarter 4 2018 and 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter. Of the deaths registered in Quarter 4 2019,

Its also been stressed by the medical experts that many who test positive for CV19 will experience only mild symptoms or even non at all so its more than plausible for forum members to have already had it .

It’s clear that like many recent issues people are polarised...

To continue to pick at it...the incremental death rate you cite is inline with seasonal variations between a ‘good’ and ‘bad’ winter of flu related deaths..the delta increase in deaths was less than 5% variation whereas once COVID 19 got a grip the death rate was about 100% higher...

It’s not to say that some people were early adopters of the virus via routes such as skiing in Austria but in the lack of an autopsy report of a uk resident individual in November of December with COVID 19 antibodies I’m not sure were you get the ‘facts’..

I think my liberal left wing socialist rational thinking (in my mind) tendencies will only lead to disappointment with some members of this forum, so for the benefit of the tape I’m out of here in regard to anything to do with politics on this forum...I’ll stick to antagonising the 6 cylinder guys on the other sub sections ...

I very much respect the knowledge and experience of many here for their Z4 related expertise but I’ll leave the political activity to others...bye..

[clarker63]

I think my liberal left wing socialist rational thinking (in my mind) tendencies will only lead to disappointment with some members

You me, and Mark too!

[Vornwend]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning. Be critical of the media by all means but don't allow it to stir up division and anger. There are a small minority of people who will always chose to ignore advice or bend the rules. Coming out of lockdown was always going to be messy.

Comparisons with almost all other countries, imperfect as they may be, are showing us that we should have gone into lockdown much earlier and that we failed those in care homes - these things are the root cause of the disaster that has hit us. There is nothing special about the public in this country that required the government to take such a relaxed stance at the start of the pandemic. Compared to our European neighbours I would even say we have a higher propensity to follow the rules?

[john-e89]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning. Be critical of the media by all means but don't allow it to stir up division and anger. There are a small minority of people who will always chose to ignore advice or bend the rules. Coming out of lockdown was always going to be messy.

Comparisons with almost all other countries, imperfect as they may be, are showing us that we should have gone into lockdown much earlier and that we failed those in care homes - these things are the root cause of the disaster that has hit us. There is nothing special about the public in this country that required the government to take such a relaxed stance at the start of the pandemic. Compared to our European neighbours I would even say we have a higher propensity to follow the rules?

Nobody needs to stir up division and anger, the media are doing a very very fine job of that all by themselves, whipping the public up as best they can without a single thought it the consequences. Those beaches all around the country and national parks etc, queues miles long to get into Ikea etc, etc, the list goes on is not really a small minority, and notwithstanding that no one here needs to be told how this virus spread like an out of control wildfire once it got into the UK from what...just a couple of carriers perhaps and given how the R number works there’s no chance of this going anywhere with the stupidity of a lot of the public.

[exdos]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning.

Never before have I seen so many people in my very rural area than since we entered Lockdown. People have simply not remained in their own local communities. I would say that for many, the period has been treated as a very long Bank Holiday with pay.

[ronk]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning.

Never before have I seen so many people in my very rural area than since we entered Lockdown. People have simply not remained in their own local communities. I would say that for many, the period has been treated as a very long Bank Holiday with pay.

That all comes back to my Common Sense not being that common!

[Nictrix]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning.

Never before have I seen so many people in my very rural area than since we entered Lockdown. People have simply not remained in their own local communities. I would say that for many, the period has been treated as a very long Bank Holiday with pay.

That all comes back to my Common Sense not being that common!

In my opinion at the beginning of the so called lockdown the government said the wrong thing which was that you were allowed out to exercise.
This basically opened the doors for people to wander wherever they liked, and a lot of people if you give them an inch they will take a mile.
They must have realised that this was a mistake but rather than recall the advice a few weeks later they opened it up even further saying people could travel to exercise as well.
You cant teach stupid.