Thanks Rob.
But it'll happen to you one day as well.
Thanks Rob.
Yep, we’re all on the same conveyor belt. Some are just nearer the end than others!
Yep I still think hydrogen. The jump to electric may turn out to be a political knee jerk - it was an available solution to an immediate problem. As a rural dweller I look at the street parking when I go into the city (double parked half on pavement) and I can't imagine how if all these cars were electric they could all be charged (and kids unpluging them at night!. Let alone the carbon foot print from producing all the cable required - but converting service stations to include a hydrogen 'pump' far less work.enzed4 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:41 am Back on topic (not that I'm even remotely a spring chicken...), what about Hydrogen? Surely if this can become mainstream it will blow electric out of the water? I thought the biggest problem was the safe storage of it, and some Australian scientists have sorted that just recently according to a news item I saw some months ago. Seems a more sustainable and environmentally-friendly option.
I don't know about the other issues (I'm not familiar with energy density), but my post did mention that the safe storage has supposedly been resolved (your points in italics), but it's still too early to mass produce anything. It seems we've all adopted electric as the 'solution' but as Crazy Harry, pointed out, how much of that is just political expediency?
Possible storage solution solved:Bottom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:58 pm I don't have an axe to grind in this debate, I have a BEV and (obviously) a Z4m and a diesel SUV... so enlighten me and point me in a useful direction. Hydrogen is a lot more explosive than petrol and is much more likely to leak out.
Here's the Wiki page on BMWs Hydrogen experimental car: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
Doesn't look like any kind of step forward to me on any level. Energy density about 1/7th of petrol.
The tank will drain itself every 14 days as the H2 decompresses and vents safely to the atmosphere. Making the stuff seems very energy intensive, transport costs are very high because it's so hard to store (apologies, I can't find an article where the storage is definitely taken care of _ link?)
We already have the infrastructure in place for electricity pretty much everywhere, I live in a fairly remote area and there are 4 public chargers within 20 miles of my house. If all else fails I can just stick the plug in a 13A socket My son has a Leaf and doesn't have a driveway or home charger and manages perfectly well with it just using the public chargers near his house and at the shopping centre he uses.
There may well be power to most uk homes but many homes will need some significant upgrades to their incoming supply and home wiring to fit anything better than a 3.6kw charger. Taking an EV with an 85kw power pack that would be constantly on charge for 24 hours assuming lossless conversion into stored energy. Who would be happy running their kettle for 24 hours for 250 m of range, my so called smart meter would have a fitBottom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:58 pm I don't have an axe to grind in this debate, I have a BEV and (obviously) a Z4m and a diesel SUV... so enlighten me and point me in a useful direction. Hydrogen is a lot more explosive than petrol and is much more likely to leak out.
Here's the Wiki page on BMWs Hydrogen experimental car: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
Doesn't look like any kind of step forward to me on any level. Energy density about 1/7th of petrol.
The tank will drain itself every 14 days as the H2 decompresses and vents safely to the atmosphere. Making the stuff seems very energy intensive, transport costs are very high because it's so hard to store (apologies, I can't find an article where the storage is definitely taken care of _ link?)
We already have the infrastructure in place for electricity pretty much everywhere, I live in a fairly remote area and there are 4 public chargers within 20 miles of my house. If all else fails I can just stick the plug in a 13A socket My son has a Leaf and doesn't have a driveway or home charger and manages perfectly well with it just using the public chargers near his house and at the shopping centre he uses.