Average speed cameras
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:42 am
This is a problem with static cameras as well. You might not know you have been done and batter around all day and get caught again later.mmm-five wrote: ↑Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:09 amWhilst you may get a ticket for each one...you can ask to have them all treated as the same offence.Lazza wrote: ↑Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:15 am Here’s an interesting thought... speed cameras probe that speeding isn’t really an offence. The real offence is getting caught! Hear me out!
If you were being followed by a police car, speeding over a fair stretch of road, when they do pull you over you will get a single speeding ticket (ignoring any Dangerous Driving / Due Care & Attention they might throw at you) but if there were 3 cameras on that stretch, you would get 3 tickets. Even if you could prove that the timing of those 3 tickets prove that you only exceeded the speed limit once, you get a ticket for each time you are caught!
This isn’t meant to actually mean anything meaningful, just thought it was interesting
Of course 3 tickets over the course of a 10 mile average speed camera zone is one thing, but 3 tickets over the course of a 200 mile Welsh/Scottish hoon might be another
Might be a bit useless for the facial recognition, as most of them are set to photograph/record the rear of the car.
Unsure about up north, but down here we have the same average speed cameras and a guy in work got caught by them, doing 59mph in a 50mph patch of road.exdos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:22 pm Resurrecting this thread.
I travelled up (and down) the M5 and M6 mid-week and passed through several speed restricted areas, which have been on the M5 and M6 for many years now. These areas have the yellow poles with three cameras on a boom at intervals along the speed-restricted stretches. I've always wondered if motorist ever get caught speeding because there's always seems to be one motorist who drives at 20mph faster than everyone else. Either they're complete idiots who've never driven on a motorway before, or they know something the rest of us don't.
I've heard that the cameras are actually used for facial recognition to track the movements of criminals rather than to catch speeding motorists by ANPR. I'm wondering if anyone on here has been caught speeding by this type of camera system?
My wife's 5 series has cruise and a limiter! set the limiter to the speed limit and just drive knowing you don't end up rear ending the car in front (for those of us without adaptive cruise) and can't bust the limit. Only problems are remembering to take it off as you exit the limited section and a tendency to bend the accelerator pedal to override the limiterMr Tidy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:57 pm Welcome to Revenue Generation 21st Century Style OP.
I first encountered them on the A1 in Scotland in 2008. I went past the first one somewhat above the N/S/L single carriageway limit - but then spotted a lovely looking tea-room, so decided to spoil Mrs Tidy with afternoon tea! Better idea than crawling for a couple of miles.
But now they are popping up everywhere - cruise control is your friend!
They don't need to be connected together by wires - the ones made by Siemens, and presumably others, use a 3G connection to send data to a central datacentre for processing so all that really needs to be known is the location of the camera that's sending the datastream and the others in its local groupexdos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:38 pm I know the cameras on the gantries with illuminated variable speed signs work, such as those on the M25 and M42; I suppose they're just basic GATSO type systems. But I'm unsure if all those yellow ones on a long stretch of motorway are actually interconnected so that a remote system can calculate your average speed? After all they put them up on the stretches where they are laying pipework along the central reservation which seems to take years to install, whilst the yellow cameras have gone up almost overnight. Are most of them dummies, if not all?
So would it be easily possible to tell if any of the yellow gantries are sending data over 3G?PerryGunn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:02 pm
They don't need to be connected together by wires - the ones made by Siemens, and presumably others, use a 3G connection to send data to a central datacentre for processing so all that really needs to be known is the location of the camera that's sending the datastream and the others in its local group
Well you could probably use an IMSI catcher to sniff the tower signal but I couldn't see why they'd bother putting up a dummy one as it would take just as long as erecting a real one - unless, of course, there's a large cost differential between a real one and a dummy one...exdos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:17 pmSo would it be easily possible to tell if any of the yellow gantries are sending data over 3G?PerryGunn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:02 pm
They don't need to be connected together by wires - the ones made by Siemens, and presumably others, use a 3G connection to send data to a central datacentre for processing so all that really needs to be known is the location of the camera that's sending the datastream and the others in its local group
The Smart motorway cameras on the M6 around Birmingham are now mounted at the nearside of the road not on the gantry itself. They are about every 3rd gantry and as such are partially hidden. When they were above they were only 'on' when the speed limit was shown, usually 50mph and below, but now I am not so sure. Went down that way a couple of weeks ago and traffic was no problem until I hit this 'smart' section warning of queues ahead and slowing the traffic to 50mph. Yes there was queues but only as a result of the speed restriction. Once it was back up to 70mph the queues miraculously disappeared?ben g wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:45 pmUnsure about up north, but down here we have the same average speed cameras and a guy in work got caught by them, doing 59mph in a 50mph patch of road.exdos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:22 pm Resurrecting this thread.
I travelled up (and down) the M5 and M6 mid-week and passed through several speed restricted areas, which have been on the M5 and M6 for many years now. These areas have the yellow poles with three cameras on a boom at intervals along the speed-restricted stretches. I've always wondered if motorist ever get caught speeding because there's always seems to be one motorist who drives at 20mph faster than everyone else. Either they're complete idiots who've never driven on a motorway before, or they know something the rest of us don't.
I've heard that the cameras are actually used for facial recognition to track the movements of criminals rather than to catch speeding motorists by ANPR. I'm wondering if anyone on here has been caught speeding by this type of camera system?
The cameras in the gantrys (sp) above the M6 definitely work, as I've been caught by them, as has another work colleague quite recently. Both doing 60mph in supposedly 50 limits. I'm 99% sure the one I went through said 60, as I was on cruise control, but I didn't have any evidence to prove it, unfortunately.
There was a big news story a few years ago about the 50/60 signs above the M6 looking very similar and catching motorists out (here!!!). But it was a year or so after I had attended a speed awareness course. So I just let it go. It still annoys me to this day though!