Selling privately and car tax

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:03 pm

I have sold the X5 to a friend, with a sort of agreed date at the end of this month.

To avoid the double paying of roadtax, should I declare it sold / sorned or whatever on the 31st even if I hand over the car a few days earlier?

mr wilks · Post by **mr wilks** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:08 pm

Declare it the 1st of the following month . if its someone you know or trust then i don't see the issue , ive done it a few times , its a system that clearly needs addressing & has done from day 1 , its pure & simple robbery with no legitimate reason .

Smartbear · Post by **Smartbear** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:09 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:03 pm I have sold the X5 to a friend, with a sort of agreed date at the end of this month.

To avoid the double paying of roadtax, should I declare it sold / sorned or whatever on the 31st even if I hand over the car a few days earlier?

If you do that I think your friend will end up paying for the whole month even if it’s only a couple of days away from the end.
How would you get the car to your friends after you sorn it?
Rob

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:10 pm

If I declare it the first of April, does that not mean that I have to pay the full month?

Yes - I trust the person, have known him for 20 years.

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:11 pm

Smartbear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:09 pm
pvr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:03 pm I have sold the X5 to a friend, with a sort of agreed date at the end of this month.

To avoid the double paying of roadtax, should I declare it sold / sorned or whatever on the 31st even if I hand over the car a few days earlier?
If you do that I think your friend will end up paying for the whole month even if it’s only a couple of days away from the end.
How would you get the car to your friends after you sorn it?
Rob

If I hand over on say the 29th and don't do anything about the tax until the 31st - evening, would that not work?

mr wilks · Post by **mr wilks** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:13 pm

You would need to SORN the car a few days before the month end in order to save the following month being your liability

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:21 pm

In other words, there is no legal way of selling privately whereby neither party double pays (unless the seller leaves the car for two days on the drive). Strange ways they work.

Paulr · Post by **Paulr** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:29 pm

I think you get on line to DVLA, transfer the car over to him on 29th, he does the same and taxes it in his name for next month and pays for his tax. You then get sent a tax rebate. He then drives it away first of next month. You don't even send reg docs off or anything any more, but destroy the one you have once you have transferred it.

Takes about 10 minutes and is very easy. The DVLA website also leads you through it.

PerryGunn · Post by **PerryGunn** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:30 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:21 pm In other words, there is no legal way of selling privately whereby neither party double pays (unless the seller leaves the car for two days on the drive). Strange ways they work.

The government makes the rules and always stacks the odds in their favour - heads they win, tails you lose...

Smartbear · Post by **Smartbear** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:31 pm

Paulr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:29 pm You don't SORN it for heavens sake! You get on line to DVLA, transfer the car over to him on 29th, he does the same and taxes it in his name and pays for his tax. You then get sent a tax rebate. You don't even send reg docs off or anything any more, but destroy the one you have once you have transferred it.

Takes about 10 minutes and is very easy. The DVLA website also leads you through it.

But that means your buyer pays a whole months tax for a couple of days remaining of the month?
Rob

mr wilks · Post by **mr wilks** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:33 pm

Paulr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:29 pm You don't SORN it for heavens sake! You get on line to DVLA, transfer the car over to him on 29th, he does the same and taxes it in his name and pays for his tax. You then get sent a tax rebate.

How will PVR get a rebate if he transfers the car on the 29th

& if his buyer takes the car ob from the 29th as i understand the system he will be charged VED from the start of that month not the 1st of the following month

Paulr · Post by **Paulr** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:35 pm

You can tax it from the 1st next month. So he drives it away on the 1st. The tax rebate applies for the remaining tax.

The one thing you can be sure in life is death and taxes. If you want to pick it up on the 29th, do it. Move on. Its £25.

Smartbear · Post by **Smartbear** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:39 pm

I got caught out selling my si, it was the last day of the month & I agreed to give the buyer a couple of hours to drive home before I declared it sold.
When I attempted to do this on line at 7pm I found out it was to late, I then copped loosing the whole of the next months tax for the sake of a couple of hours

Rob

mr wilks · Post by **mr wilks** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:42 pm

Paulr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:35 pm You can tax it from the 1st next month. So he drives it away on the 1st. The tax rebate applies for the remaining tax.

The one thing you can be sure in life is death and taxes. If you want to pick it up on the 29th, do it. Move on. Its £25.

What you mean is the tax rebate applies for any complete & unused months , not what PVR is wanting to know .
To reiterate he asked how he can exchange vehicles mid month without the need for both parties to pay road tax for that month

Smartbear · Post by **Smartbear** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:45 pm

mr wilks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:42 pm
Paulr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:35 pm You can tax it from the 1st next month. So he drives it away on the 1st. The tax rebate applies for the remaining tax.

The one thing you can be sure in life is death and taxes. If you want to pick it up on the 29th, do it. Move on. Its £25.
What you mean is the tax rebate applies for any complete & unused months , not what PVR is wanting to know .
To reiterate he asked how he can exchange vehicles mid month without the need for both parties to pay road tax for that month

I think pvr needs to drive it round his mates near the end of the month where it will sit unused until the new owner taxes it from the 1st

Rob

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