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What happens with modified silencers etc? Re-welded DPF and silencers,are they an automatic failure?
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DPF will never be an issue for Z4s!
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DPF removal is a fail, as is any removal of emissions control equipment. I also seem to recall reading that any visible smoke from a DPF equipped vehicle is also a fail, probably to catch those that have removed the internals.
A welded up silencer shouldn't be a problem, as it could have theoretically been repaired, and as long as it's not leaking should pass.
http://garagewire.co.uk/news/mot-dpf-changes-now-expected-in-may-2018-dvsa-confirms/
Interestingly that pages says;
"While it is illegal for drivers to use a car with the DPF removed, it is not illegal for garages to take them out."
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A welded up silencer shouldn't be a problem, as it could have theoretically been repaired, and as long as it's not leaking should pass.
http://garagewire.co.uk/news/mot-dpf-changes-now-expected-in-may-2018-dvsa-confirms/
Interestingly that pages says;
"While it is illegal for drivers to use a car with the DPF removed, it is not illegal for garages to take them out."
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Cheers Mike. Have seen a few for sale and wondered what it was all about come May if it was deemed modified or putting out too much Emissions due to lack of material in the silencer. Although I suppose this is only to quieten the silencer and won't affect emissions.Ducklakeview wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:08 pm DPF removal is a fail, as is any removal of emissions control equipment. I also seem to recall reading that any visible smoke from a DPF equipped vehicle is also a fail, probably to catch those that have removed the internals.
A welded up silencer shouldn't be a problem, as it could have theoretically been repaired, and as long as it's not leaking should pass.
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Yes, fair enough - I had diseasels for nearly 10 years but bailed out of my 123d in 2014 because of the BMW N47 engine cam-chain issues, not concerns over the dpf!
I've only had N/A straight 6 petrol engines since then.
My main concern with the new regs. is that from what I can make out an EML will be a fail - even if it is only an amber one.
I think I need to buy a code reader that can also clear codes!
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Yeah that too. Our BMWs throw them up weekly and go off again at will.Mr Tidy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:14 pmYes, fair enough - I had diseasels for nearly 10 years but bailed out of my 123d in 2014 because of the BMW N47 engine cam-chain issues, not concerns over the dpf!
I've only had N/A straight 6 petrol engines since then.
My main concern with the new regs. is that from what I can make out an EML will be a fail - even if it is only an amber one.
I think I need to buy a code reader that can also clear codes!
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It's not just me then!
But why is an amber a fail - makes sense for a red, but amber is surely only advisory?
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Maybe they will treat an amber as a Minor. Not read all the new rules yet. I'm not a tester by the way.
Think older diesels are pretty much done for come May.
Think older diesels are pretty much done for come May.
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Mot reg 8.2.2.1
Paraphrased - DPF removed, cup open or welded is a reject unless proof of legitimate reason such as cleaning
Of course one of the few things a Z can fail on
Paraphrased - DPF removed, cup open or welded is a reject unless proof of legitimate reason such as cleaning
Of course one of the few things a Z can fail on
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Amber is a "major fault" so it's a fail..
Found the bit about diesel smoke;
Reading through the manual, a brake pad warning light is also a fail, as is any ABS or engine management warning light.
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new rules ,same old mot testers that happy to bend the rules for extra £20
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You mean Not fail on lol..cj10jeeper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:24 am Mot reg 8.2.2.1
Paraphrased - DPF removed, cup open or welded is a reject unless proof of legitimate reason such as cleaning
Of course one of the few things a Z can fail on
Also, they've covered their @rses by saying ANY visible smoke from a DPF equipped vehicle is a fail.. Can see a lot failing on that one, especially cars where the regen doesn't get carried out due to short journeys! Once the filter reaches it's soot capacity, it either clogs, or lets everything through.. Glad my van is Pre-DPF, just.
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That's getting a lot harder for them to do, especially with emissions etc, as the DSM/Gas analysers are being linked directly to the MOT PC's so there can be less scope for "influence" on the part of the tester. I know of one guy that got caught in Liverpool last year, was doing an MOT "for a friend" and the car wasn't even at the test centre. However It had been involved in some sort of incident several miles away at the time it was "logged on" to the MOT system for it's test to be done. This came to light after some digging by the plod..
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Yes of course - typo. Distracted by breakfast on train arrivingDucklakeview wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:30 amYou mean Not fail on lol..cj10jeeper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:24 am Mot reg 8.2.2.1
Paraphrased - DPF removed, cup open or welded is a reject unless proof of legitimate reason such as cleaning
Of course one of the few things a Z can fail on
Also, they've covered their @rses by saying ANY visible smoke from a DPF equipped vehicle is a fail.. Can see a lot failing on that one, especially cars where the regen doesn't get carried out due to short journeys! Once the filter reaches it's soot capacity, it either clogs, or lets everything through.. Glad my van is Pre-DPF, just.
Mike
There are many more ways they can catch such changes or mods, but visible is enough or emission enough
In your second post the test can be conducted without internet connection. Use is monitored though. My friends garage lost all internet for days so he reverted to manual systems.
The odd car can still get through if a station wants to, but the risks are high for them. IMHO it’s more these days for traders using a regular test centre that passes work, borderline fails will pass or become advisory
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