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Small roof issue (surprise surprise)

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Post by 304frp » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am

Hi Robbi,

Can’t argue with that , :thumbsup:
but the method works well no drilling required just swap out for new screws , your preference. Don’t dismiss until you’ve tried !

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Post by RobbiZ4 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:06 am

304frp wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am Hi Robbi,

Can’t argue with that , :thumbsup:
but the method works well no drilling required just swap out for new screws , your preference. Don’t dismiss until you’ve tried !
Andy
Ok, will do. :D
But not before my 500 screw pack has been emptied. Let's say in about 125 years. :rofl:
That will save me at a minimum 1 year more lifetime, as drilling takes only 10 seconds for 2 screws on a switch. You can't beat that with a dremel. :fuelfire:

Some pics.
Step 1 - drill out the core with a small 2mm drill
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Step 2 - break the head with the bigger drill
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Post by 304frp » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:17 pm

That sounds like a tool challenge :D
I do like a good challenge :thumbsup:
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Post by Pondrew » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:29 am

Pbondar wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:47 am Had the same issue..bought the switches and now threaten the car with them..the roof now behaves perfectly!
Exactly the same. Ordered new switches from Sopers last week (£33.05 delivered). As soon as I put the phone down, the roof has operated faultlessly since! :?
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by Pbondar » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:22 am

Pondrew wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:29 am
Pbondar wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:47 am Had the same issue..bought the switches and now threaten the car with them..the roof now behaves perfectly!
Exactly the same. Ordered new switches from Sopers last week (£33.05 delivered). As soon as I put the phone down, the roof has operated faultlessly since! :?
Same with insurance..if you've got it ..nothing happens..without it sh1t happens.. :thumbsup:

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Post by Pondrew » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:15 pm

Pondrew wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:29 am
Pbondar wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:47 am Had the same issue..bought the switches and now threaten the car with them..the roof now behaves perfectly!
Exactly the same. Ordered new switches from Sopers last week (£33.05 delivered). As soon as I put the phone down, the roof has operated faultlessly since! :?
Spoke too soon! Spent 15 minutes trying to shut the bloody thing tonight (that's my job when the wife takes it to work, apparently). Closed on the 5th attempt and probably hasn't done the battery charge a lot of good. Ironically, the new switches turned up today, they are tiny! I hate cars, they're a pain in the ar*e! :x
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by SV8Predator » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:45 pm

304frp wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am Hi Robbi,

Can’t argue with that , :thumbsup:
but the method works well no drilling required just swap out for new screws , your preference. Don’t dismiss until you’ve tried !

Andy
Hi Andy,

I sent you a PM a few days ago.
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Post by 304frp » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:42 pm

Hi , yes only just seen it I’m really busy at work so not had time !!
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Post by 304frp » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:00 am

ROBBI NOOOOOOOOO :poke:
Look at that swarf , not good in the hinge mechanism
Try the dremmel and new screws , it’s the future :fuelfire:
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Post by RobbiZ4 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:48 am

304frp wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:00 am ROBBI NOOOOOOOOO :poke:
Look at that swarf...
:rofl:
That's the reason, why I use a carpet below, a piece of a kitchen roll on top and a bit of air pressure to clean it up.
Yes, takes another 10 seconds. :driving:
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Post by flybobbie » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:22 am

The knack was always to put a blob of grease on the drill to catch the swarf. (spell check doesn't recognise swarf, suggested dwarf, don't think that will work).

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Post by garycurio » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:38 am

So I have been having various roof problems over the last couple of months. Initially the roof retracting seemed to be 'sticky' and was juddering as it retracted into the boot. This was quickly followed by the roof warning symbol flashing and 'bonging' intermittently. I thought it might have been a dodgy battery as the original was still on (2012 2.0). Replaced this (cost £150 for the new battery) but the flashing and 'bonging' continued when it felt like it.
Two weeks ago the roof retracted but the windows did not close and stayed down. Put the roof up and the rear window shell stuck on top of the roof shell with the boot lid up. Tried putting the roof up and down several times. Eventually managed to get the roof up and decided to get someone to look at it.
The LH microswitch, rear module closed was buggered (part number 54377227397). The switch itself was £35 and I paid a total, including the part, of £440 to a local guy who did the fault finding. Seemed reasonable to me.
Apparently the roof fault did not throw up any fault codes either as it was intermittent.
Hope this helps someone.

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Post by RobbiZ4 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:47 am

garycurio wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:38 am [...]The LH microswitch, rear module closed was buggered (part number 54377227397).
Really interesting, those stories that occur. Never have I ever seen a damaged LH microswitch.
But indeed, that is stored as wrong(!) fault code in the car.
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Post by Pondrew » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:44 pm

So I finally got around to changing the boot (trunk) lock microswitches today, as the weather was nice.
Thanks to RobbieZ4 and 304fp for the information on how to do it.
It turns out that the nearside (left) switch was the problem but changed them both. I started with the offside (right) first so was not to know.

When finished, I tested both old switches with a continuity meter to see what the situation was. As one of the switches was OK, it turns out that these switches are "momentary"; normally closed, then momentarily opened by the switch breaking, then making again.

I found the failed switch and took it apart (with the help of a knife and a screwdriver). There was no corrosion either on the contacts, or on the (tiny) PCB. I think it was a broken internal contact. The knackered switch had a 2014 date on it and the other had a 2015 date. My car was built in March 2013, so both had been replaced.

Might be interesting for someone. :thumbsup:

BTW all four M3 machine screws came out easily with the correct size phillips head screwdriver, but because they had been replaced before they didn't have any thread lock on them (they do now).
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by SV8Predator » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:12 pm

Pondrew wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:44 pm BTW all four M3 machine screws came out easily with the correct size phillips head screwdriver,
They must have been replaced when they replaced the switch before.

The screws on mine just unscrewed so I used them again. I'm quite sure they were the original Torx-headed screws.
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