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Post by rdgreen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:51 am

Our cars are getting on so, while I was doing the DISA and VANOS valve upgrades, I went over the the external hoses. What I found may well be typical of cars from that time. The first picture shows the vacuum brake booster hose....looks reasonable...until you turn it 90 degrees and then not so good. The hose was almost entirely collapsed, leading to very little vacuum being induced. Fortunately there was still enough to operate the brakes. Note: For whatever reason the photos have loaded opposite to their number, so look at the second picture first. :headbang:
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Post by bigwinn » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:41 am

Good spot and worth a check

Had they perished or just collapsed due to constant vacuum?
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Post by rdgreen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:11 am

bigwinn wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:41 am Good spot and worth a check

Had they perished or just collapsed due to constant vacuum?
Visually the surface was almost as new....it appears to have just collapsed internally, over time, under the vacuum.
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Post by bigwinn » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:16 am

Off to check mine now!
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Post by enuff_zed » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:52 am

bigwinn wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:16 am Off to check mine now!
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Post by ph001 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:26 pm

Flexi hose not exactly the optimal solution for vacuum really! BMW should have used something more rigid.
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Post by bigwinn » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:52 pm

enuff_zed wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:52 am
bigwinn wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:16 am Off to check mine now!
I can feel a group buy discount coming on. :wink:
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Post by rdgreen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:48 pm

ph001 wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:26 pm Flexi hose not exactly the optimal solution for vacuum really! BMW should have used something more rigid.
Unfortunately you need a flexible hose between the engine take off and the brake booster as the engine isn't solidly mounted to the chassis and the booster is. Obviously the original has lasted for some time, but nothing lasts forever......brake lines next for a check.
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Post by Roberltd2 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:10 pm

Useful post. Thanks. :thumbsup:
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Post by Ewazix » Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:11 pm

Interesting that BMW issued a TIS technical bulletin to dealers about this apparently common condition of squished vacuum hoses, quote

"A deformed vacuum hose still has sufficient reserves for the brakes to function correctly, in no instance is the braking effect jeopardised by the deformation. In case of customer complaint, do not replace the vacuum hose!

Technically they are almost certainly right, but it makes them look like a cowboy shower of s4it! :o
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Post by rdgreen » Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:17 pm

Ewazix wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:11 pm Interesting that BMW issued a TIS technical bulletin to dealers about this apparently common condition of squished vacuum hoses, quote

"A deformed vacuum hose still has sufficient reserves for the brakes to function correctly, in no instance is the braking effect jeopardised by the deformation. In case of customer complaint, do not replace the vacuum hose!

Technically they are almost certainly right, but it makes them look like a cowboy shower of s4it! :o

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Post by mpc007 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:49 pm

Think my car has this. I noticed feeling in the brakes was lacking, and then I remembered road side assistance did remark something about a deformed hose under the bonnet (when they were checking my broken alternator). It just looks like the one in the picture.

Think its wise to replace ASAP, did I see correctly the partno is 34336763992?
When changing, do I need to order other parts as well?

Many thanks in advance!
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Post by rdgreen » Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:16 pm

mpc007 wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:49 pm Think my car has this. I noticed feeling in the brakes was lacking, and then I remembered road side assistance did remark something about a deformed hose under the bonnet (when they were checking my broken alternator). It just looks like the one in the picture.

Think its wise to replace ASAP, did I see correctly the partno is 34336763992?
When changing, do I need to order other parts as well?

Many thanks in advance!
To be honest I just went to the local auto spares outlet and bought a vacuum hose of the correct diameter that followed the contour almost exactly. Part number is ZHB12EFV and it cost me less than $20 (about 12 pounds) all up with a couple of hose clamps to replace the BMW ones that you will need to cut off carefully. You could buy the genuine BMW ones....but you would probably need to mortgage the house first. :)
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Post by mpc007 » Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:41 am

rdgreen wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:16 pm
mpc007 wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:49 pm Think my car has this. I noticed feeling in the brakes was lacking, and then I remembered road side assistance did remark something about a deformed hose under the bonnet (when they were checking my broken alternator). It just looks like the one in the picture.

Think its wise to replace ASAP, did I see correctly the partno is 34336763992?
When changing, do I need to order other parts as well?

Many thanks in advance!
To be honest I just went to the local auto spares outlet and bought a vacuum hose of the correct diameter that followed the contour almost exactly. Part number is ZHB12EFV and it cost me less than $20 (about 12 pounds) all up with a couple of hose clamps to replace the BMW ones that you will need to cut off carefully. You could buy the genuine BMW ones....but you would probably need to mortgage the house first. :)
What fou you mean by cutting them off? Is there pressure on the hose when removing it? :roll:
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Post by rdgreen » Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:54 am

mpc007 wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:41 am
rdgreen wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:16 pm
mpc007 wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:49 pm Think my car has this. I noticed feeling in the brakes was lacking, and then I remembered road side assistance did remark something about a deformed hose under the bonnet (when they were checking my broken alternator). It just looks like the one in the picture.

Think its wise to replace ASAP, did I see correctly the partno is 34336763992?
When changing, do I need to order other parts as well?

Many thanks in advance!
To be honest I just went to the local auto spares outlet and bought a vacuum hose of the correct diameter that followed the contour almost exactly. Part number is ZHB12EFV and it cost me less than $20 (about 12 pounds) all up with a couple of hose clamps to replace the BMW ones that you will need to cut off carefully. You could buy the genuine BMW ones....but you would probably need to mortgage the house first. :)
What fou you mean by cutting them off? Is there pressure on the hose when removing it? :roll:
You need to cut off the hose clamps holding the hose on because BMW use clamps that are single use only. If you have pressure on a vacuum line you have other issues to worry about......
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