you have to wonder dont you.. it CANT be her car can it..noiseboy72 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:31 pmI'm probably going to hell, but that was just so funny!!Yorkie Z wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:17 am I’m guessing this is the problem
https://youtu.be/GBoJlIYF2Z4
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If you ever think I'm off my rocker.. Just put me back in it and walk away... It's the kindest thing
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
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If you’re seriously asking that question I’ve lost all hope.
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To be fair tests on road cars have shown that simply up-sizing wheels and tyres over standard fitment will make no positive difference to cornering ability and in some cases reduce track lap times. Going from 16 in to 20 inch for example would add possibly 14+ kilos of unstrung weight, that with the rotational inertia will knock .25 - .5 secs off your 0-60 time and the contact patch and gyroscopic effect of the heavier wheel will reduce steering agility. That plus reduced comfort and susceptibility to damage means it's not necessarily a logical upgrade.
........ However road cars have a sweet spot size wise, I thought my old 17's rode better, were fractionally more stable in corners and gave more communicative backside 'feel' than my current staggered 18's which are as far as I would go size-wise. 17-18" rims are the sweet spot on the e85 IMHO, but if you can put up with the look (and forum ragging ) 16's would probably be a good drive.
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exactly - i do wonder where your need for big wheels is compensating for something perhaps ? please feel free to lose all hope good sir cus i dont give a rats arse what you think. and rather opinionated coming from someone that dont even own a zed no more., and if you have anything else to say to me i suggest you say it with a smile. You wont like me when im angry.
If you ever think I'm off my rocker.. Just put me back in it and walk away... It's the kindest thing
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
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That one is never going to get old.Yorkie Z wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:17 am I’m guessing this is the problem
https://youtu.be/GBoJlIYF2Z4
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Or this onebuzyg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:47 pmThat one is never going to get old.Yorkie Z wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:17 am I’m guessing this is the problem
https://youtu.be/GBoJlIYF2Z4
https://youtu.be/xX__PlOda0E
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priceless - i loved that ad....Smartbear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:53 pmOr this onebuzyg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:47 pmThat one is never going to get old.Yorkie Z wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:17 am I’m guessing this is the problem
https://youtu.be/GBoJlIYF2Z4
https://youtu.be/xX__PlOda0E
Rob
back in the day when alloys and 18" wheels were only a wet dream..
If you ever think I'm off my rocker.. Just put me back in it and walk away... It's the kindest thing
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gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
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Not Carlos fandango 18 inch axle extensions though.road warrior wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:57 pmpriceless - i loved that ad....
back in the day when alloys and 18" wheels were only a wet dream..
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Please tell me where I said you need big wheels?road warrior wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:55 pm exactly - i do wonder where your need for big wheels is compensating for something perhaps ? please feel free to lose all hope good sir cus i dont give a rats arse what you think. and rather opinionated coming from someone that dont even own a zed no more., and if you have anything else to say to me i suggest you say it with a smile. You wont like me when im angry.
18s are perfect for the Z4 E85/E86. Hence why all MSport Z4s were sold with them as standard.
I would consider 17s during winter but that’s the smallest I would go. 16s are too small. Do you see the likes of Mr Wilks putting 16s on his car? No!
Also, in response to your last comment. Not sure you’d be able to catch me in my E46 M3
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meanwhile back to the studio... im thinking m sport shockers and normal springs, that would work woulnt it ?
so i get more height than the lowered m sport springs and stiffer shocks ? hmm ?
my car was spec'd with m sport suspension from new but i want comfort and less grounding - so prolly bilstein shocks and sach coil springs .. hmm ?
so i get more height than the lowered m sport springs and stiffer shocks ? hmm ?
my car was spec'd with m sport suspension from new but i want comfort and less grounding - so prolly bilstein shocks and sach coil springs .. hmm ?
If you ever think I'm off my rocker.. Just put me back in it and walk away... It's the kindest thing
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
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I’m fully aware of unsprung weight and the difference in which simply changing a wheel size can affect a road vehicle.Ewazix wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:55 pmTo be fair tests on road cars have shown that simply up-sizing wheels and tyres over standard fitment will make no positive difference to cornering ability and in some cases reduce track lap times. Going from 16 in to 20 inch for example would add possibly 14+ kilos of unstrung weight, that with the rotational inertia will knock .25 - .5 secs off your 0-60 time and the contact patch and gyroscopic effect of the heavier wheel will reduce steering agility. That plus reduced comfort and susceptibility to damage means it's not necessarily a logical upgrade.
........ However road cars have a sweet spot size wise, I thought my old 17's rode better, were fractionally more stable in corners and gave more communicative backside 'feel' than my current staggered 18's which are as far as I would go size-wise. 17-18" rims are the sweet spot on the e85 IMHO, but if you can put up with the look (and forum ragging ) 16's would probably be a good drive.
I think Car Throttle and TyreReviews did a video or article on this a while back however can’t remember.
However my point is - although Style 104 16s were initially offered, most SE cars were specced on 17s and MSport cars on 18s. As a result of the buying demand, I believe BMW phased out the Style 104 16s for the facelift Z4s.
When I changed the wheels (MV2s 18s) on my Zed, I opted for lighter 18s as I didn’t want to increase unsprung weight and wanted to maintain the sporty balance of the car whilst also maintaining ride comfort. My 18s were wider and lighter than my MV2s and so my cars handling improved.
The biggest I would go on a Z4 is 18s for this very reason, however people run 19s are happy with them.
However 16s is just wrong.
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you have yet to explain what is wrong with 16" wheels - they handle well, they are comfortable - so what exactly is wrong about them ? and bear in mind many z4 owners use them and are happy with them, and while i accept in your mind and heart they are wrong, you have yet to explain WHY they are wrong.. bmw specced them and sold them so what your issue exactly ?
If your reasoning is based on looks, or " filling the wheel arch " that is vaccuous, we all agree it " looks " better, but we also know a woman with big tits is no more capable of producing milk for a child than any women with smaller ones. so, is image your all ? its accepted 17" are the best - 18"'s look nice , 19" are silly and 20" are useless and dangerous.
If your reasoning is based on looks, or " filling the wheel arch " that is vaccuous, we all agree it " looks " better, but we also know a woman with big tits is no more capable of producing milk for a child than any women with smaller ones. so, is image your all ? its accepted 17" are the best - 18"'s look nice , 19" are silly and 20" are useless and dangerous.
If you ever think I'm off my rocker.. Just put me back in it and walk away... It's the kindest thing
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
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If you read my posts I opted for lighter weight 18s for performance over aesthetics. If I wanted image I would’ve gone 19s.road warrior wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:40 pm you have yet to explain what is wrong with 16" wheels - they handle well, they are comfortable - so what exactly is wrong about them ? and bear in mind many z4 owners use them and are happy with them, and while i accept in your mind and heart they are wrong, you have yet to explain WHY they are wrong.. bmw specced them and sold them so what your issue exactly ?
If your reasoning is based on looks, or " filling the wheel arch " that is vaccuous, we all agree it " looks " better, but we also know a woman with big tits is no more capable of producing milk for a child than any women with smaller ones. so, is image you all - its accepted 17" are the best - 18"'s look nice , 19" are silly and 20" are useless and dangerous.
Furthermore you don’t need to ask me why mate.
As I said, BMW discontinued Style 104 on the facelift Z4s (2006 onwards).
It’s not just my opinion, it’s also BMWs.
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well mate... you said its wrong and i ask why ? and fact that thay disconnected them - what that got to do with anything ?
every car that is made is discontinued your e46 is discontinued . your point is ??
every car that is made is discontinued your e46 is discontinued . your point is ??
If you ever think I'm off my rocker.. Just put me back in it and walk away... It's the kindest thing
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
gone but not forgotton -Mean Steve - made a sound like a bear with his nuts in a trap.
My wife says I never listen - or something like that.
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E46 M3 and other high revving N/A motors being ‘discontinued’ or no longer produced as I would prefer - is due to emissions regulations and turbocharger technology.road warrior wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:48 pm well mate... you said its wrong and i ask why ? and fact that thay disconnected them - what that got to do with anything ?
every car that is made is discontinued your e46 is discontinued . your point is ??
Even today I saw something on the news about petrol cars over the age of 13 years old will be charged an extra £13.50 on top of congestion charge whenever they enter the Zone.
Anyways back to the point - the point is that 16s look wrong. Also from a dynamic driving perspective the tyre wall on a 16 inch rim would be too big - thus compromise sporty handling. It’s not like people buy Z4s because they offer a smooth ride like an E Class Mercedes does.
I will say it again. BMW discontinued Style 104 for the facelift Z4. They didn’t do it for no reason.
Goodnight sir.
Current: 2002 E46 M3
Current: 2005 997 Carrera S
Gone: 2004 R53 Cooper S
Gone: 1998 E31 840Ci Sport
Gone: 2007 Z4 E86 3.0Si Sport
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Gone: 2015 F21 116d M Sport
Gone: 2012 A3 Sportback 1.2TFSI
Current: 2005 997 Carrera S
Gone: 2004 R53 Cooper S
Gone: 1998 E31 840Ci Sport
Gone: 2007 Z4 E86 3.0Si Sport
Gone: 2001 Z3 E36/7 2.2i San Remo Individual
Gone: 2015 F21 116d M Sport
Gone: 2012 A3 Sportback 1.2TFSI