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Hard braking - Keeping her straight

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Post by PDJ » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:34 pm

http://www.brembo.com/en/company/news/f ... mbo-brakes

Link should have some picture of hot hot brake discs all be it proper race cars but helps show the potential heat transfer.

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Post by PDJ » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:42 pm

If it is the pad rubbing on the back of the piston and pad carrier part of the calliper a small amount of high temp Molykote grease should reduce or remove the noise if it is pad to disc try a different pad compound.

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Post by R60BBA » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:44 pm

I’ve noticed that the noise only occurs when the handbrake is up (when jumping on the door sill in a stationary position). If I jump on the sill with the handbrake down there is no noise...
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Post by hopz121 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:52 am

Did you change the handbrake shoes when fitting the new discs?
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Post by R60BBA » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:58 am

hopz121 wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:52 am Did you change the handbrake shoes when fitting the new discs?
I didn’t personally do the job so I don’t know. But I didn’t supply this part to the garage who did the work either so I presume not.

Why do you ask?
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Post by cj10jeeper » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:31 am

R60BBA wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:58 am
hopz121 wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:52 am Did you change the handbrake shoes when fitting the new discs?
I didn’t personally do the job so I don’t know. But I didn’t supply this part to the garage who did the work either so I presume not.

Why do you ask?
Regardless of if you fitted new shoes you need to do a bedding in process when new rear disks are fitted.
Drive gently and hold the handbrake on firmly to slow the car while still driving. Do this for about 100m then repeat.
It cleans the inside of the disks and reseats the shoes.

You should never need new shoes unless you are harsh in use of handbrake or a rare failure happens
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Post by R60BBA » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:47 am

cj10jeeper wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:31 am
R60BBA wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:58 am
hopz121 wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:52 am Did you change the handbrake shoes when fitting the new discs?
I didn’t personally do the job so I don’t know. But I didn’t supply this part to the garage who did the work either so I presume not.

Why do you ask?
Regardless of if you fitted new shoes you need to do a bedding in process when new rear disks are fitted.
Drive gently and hold the handbrake on firmly to slow the car while still driving. Do this for about 100m then repeat.
It cleans the inside of the disks and reseats the shoes.

You should never need new shoes unless you are harsh in use of handbrake or a rare failure happens
Just to clarify, do you mean drive slowly with the handbrake up? (If so how far up)? And how many times of 100m?
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Post by cj10jeeper » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:05 am

I thought it was clear aside the repeat that I'd do it 2 or 3 times. You are trying to work the brakes on the drum surface to heat them and bed in so you pull the handbrake hard enough to be dragging on the car, but keep the throttle pressed so it keep it driving.
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Post by R60BBA » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:48 pm

cj10jeeper wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:05 am I thought it was clear aside the repeat that I'd do it 2 or 3 times. You are trying to work the brakes on the drum surface to heat them and bed in so you pull the handbrake hard enough to be dragging on the car, but keep the throttle pressed so it keep it driving.
I’ve just tried it.

It’s sort of worked, the squeak happens a lot less but is still there.

When the handbrake was applied and I pushed at low speed, it felt as if the bite on the nearside was not as strong as the bite on the offside.

The nearside squeaks whilst driving, so perhaps the nearside rear handbrake needs to be adjusted?
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Post by cj10jeeper » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:06 pm

Of course the handbrake needs adjusting. Done through a wheel stud hole, but easier to remove a wheel.
Once both are correct adjust the cable to get the wheels to bite at 3-5 clicks. Can’t recall exact number but around that.
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Post by R60BBA » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:09 pm

cj10jeeper wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:06 pm Of course the handbrake needs adjusting. Done through a wheel stud hole, but easier to remove a wheel.
Once both are correct adjust the cable to get the wheels to bite at 3-5 clicks. Can’t recall exact number but around that.
How much on labour should I pay for this sort of job?
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Post by cj10jeeper » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:30 pm

10 minutes per side, plus 10 to to adjust the cable. Add a bit for thinking and I’d say £30
In reality it should be part of fitting new disks
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