Not joined yet? Register for free and enjoy features such as alerts, private messaging and viewing latest posts and topics.

Flappy paddles

Specific discussion about the E89 2009 Z4 (sDrive35is, sDrive35i, sDrive30i, sDrive23i)
User avatar
Beeacon
Member
Member
Posts: 329
Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:07 pm
Location: Manchester, UK

Flappy paddles

Post by Beeacon » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:55 pm

Busterboo wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:49 am
In 'Sport', does yours default from paddle to 'auto' in about 8 seconds?
In 'Sport S', do your steering, suspension, engine & gearbox responses change?
In 'Normal' steering is light. When you press the flappy paddle it switches to 'Manual' (M1/M2/M3/etc) for about 8 seconds and then reverts back to 'Drive' (D1/D2/D3/etc).

In 'Sport' steering is heavier, suspension, and gearbox are slightly more responsive. When you press the flappy paddle it switches to 'Manual' (M1/M2/M3/etc) for about 8 seconds and then reverts back to 'Drive' (D1/D2/D3/etc).

When you push the gearstick over to the left it enters 'Sequential' mode (S1/S2/S3/etc). Gearbox is MUCH more responsive and aggressive. If you use the flappy paddles in this mode it will changed from 'Sequential' mode to 'Manual' and stay in that mode until the gearstick is moved back to the normal position.

Hope this clears things up.
Current: Still thinking...
Past: 2009 BMW Z4 35i sDrive DCT
Past: 1997 BMW Z3 2.8 wide boy

djstan
Member
Member
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:31 pm
Location: Bristol

Flappy paddles

Post by djstan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:34 pm

So I've got a 10-plate 35i which I've owned since 2014 and sounds like it has the 'new' paddles. Does that mean that the paddles were changed at some point in the past? Who knew!
10-plate E89 35i, Deep Sea Blue
67-plate F15 X5 35d, Space Grey

User avatar
Beeacon
Member
Member
Posts: 329
Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:07 pm
Location: Manchester, UK

Flappy paddles

Post by Beeacon » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:48 pm

djstan wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:34 pm So I've got a 10-plate 35i which I've owned since 2014 and sounds like it has the 'new' paddles. Does that mean that the paddles were changed at some point in the past? Who knew!
New paddles have a '+' on the right side and a '-' on the left side of the steering wheel, they should be black with a silver trim and they cannot be pushed.

The old ones are all silver and both sides operate as push = down and pull = up.
Current: Still thinking...
Past: 2009 BMW Z4 35i sDrive DCT
Past: 1997 BMW Z3 2.8 wide boy

djstan
Member
Member
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:31 pm
Location: Bristol

Flappy paddles

Post by djstan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:54 pm

Beeacon wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:48 pm New paddles have a '+' on the right side and a '-' on the left side of the steering wheel, they should be black with a silver trim and they cannot be pushed.

The old ones are all silver and both sides operate as push = down and pull = up.
Yep, so I've defo got the new paddles. How intriguing! I had no idea that the car's previous owner(s) was/were enthusiasts!
10-plate E89 35i, Deep Sea Blue
67-plate F15 X5 35d, Space Grey

Busterboo
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 2811
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:49 am

Flappy paddles

Post by Busterboo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:04 pm

Beeacon wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:55 pm In 'Normal' steering is light. When you press the flappy paddle it switches to 'Manual' (M1/M2/M3/etc) for about 8 seconds and then reverts back to 'Drive' (D1/D2/D3/etc).

In 'Sport' steering is heavier, suspension, and gearbox are slightly more responsive. When you press the flappy paddle it switches to 'Manual' (M1/M2/M3/etc) for about 8 seconds and then reverts back to 'Drive' (D1/D2/D3/etc).

When you push the gearstick over to the left it enters 'Sequential' mode (S1/S2/S3/etc). Gearbox is MUCH more responsive and aggressive. If you use the flappy paddles in this mode it will changed from 'Sequential' mode to 'Manual' and stay in that mode until the gearstick is moved back to the normal position.

Hope this clears things up.
Well, Lazza, does it? :)
Vidi, vici, veni

djstan
Member
Member
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:31 pm
Location: Bristol

Flappy paddles

Post by djstan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:47 pm

I've not noticed any change to steering or suspension in sport mode.
10-plate E89 35i, Deep Sea Blue
67-plate F15 X5 35d, Space Grey

User avatar
Beeacon
Member
Member
Posts: 329
Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:07 pm
Location: Manchester, UK

Flappy paddles

Post by Beeacon » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:58 pm

djstan wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:47 pm I've not noticed any change to steering or suspension in sport mode.
I have M adaptive suspension which might make a difference?
Current: Still thinking...
Past: 2009 BMW Z4 35i sDrive DCT
Past: 1997 BMW Z3 2.8 wide boy

User avatar
Dave1971
Member
Member
Posts: 928
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:20 pm

Flappy paddles

Post by Dave1971 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:21 pm

Beeacon wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:48 pm
djstan wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:34 pm So I've got a 10-plate 35i which I've owned since 2014 and sounds like it has the 'new' paddles. Does that mean that the paddles were changed at some point in the past? Who knew!
New paddles have a '+' on the right side and a '-' on the left side of the steering wheel, they should be black with a silver trim and they cannot be pushed.

The old ones are all silver and both sides operate as push = down and pull = up.
The old style paddles can be set up exactly the same as the new type, right hand pull for up left hand pull for down without the need to change the paddles themselves. My indy offered to do it for £50 but I quite like the old fashioned push pull method.
Zed No 1 2004 e85 Z4 2.2 se
Zed No 2 2007 e85 Imola Red Z4MR
Zed No 3 2006 e85 Ruby Black 3.0si Roadster
Zed No 4 2009 e89 Deep see blue 35i sDrive
Zed No 5 2006 e85 Titan silver 3.0si Roadster
Zed No 6 2004 e85 Black Sapphire Alpina Roadster S Lux #073

djstan
Member
Member
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:31 pm
Location: Bristol

Flappy paddles

Post by djstan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:29 pm

Beeacon wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:58 pm I have M adaptive suspension which might make a difference?
Could well do, yes, because I don’t have that..
10-plate E89 35i, Deep Sea Blue
67-plate F15 X5 35d, Space Grey

User avatar
Jollyjoiner
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 2010
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:32 am
Location: Chesterfield

Flappy paddles

Post by Jollyjoiner » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:39 pm

john-e89 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:02 pm
Hunter wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:43 pm
john-e89 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:54 pm Pretty sure it was 2013.
Mine is a 2012 car pre LCI and it has them
Looks like they’ve been changed then, unless it was late 2012.

To Greg, yes you can swap them easily to earlier cars. In fact I bought a set the other day to retro fit.
Hi John, you say you've bought a set of the new style paddles, where did you get them from ? I might fancy some for mine. Once you've changed yours you'll have to show me how it's done. I'm also tempted in getting my wheel re trimmed at Royals like my last one :D
2009 35i DCT silver
SLT mapped to 365bhp :)

Lazza
Member
Member
Posts: 488
Joined: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:42 am
Location: Wokingham

Flappy paddles

Post by Lazza » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:37 pm

Busterboo wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:04 pm
Beeacon wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:55 pm In 'Normal' steering is light. When you press the flappy paddle it switches to 'Manual' (M1/M2/M3/etc) for about 8 seconds and then reverts back to 'Drive' (D1/D2/D3/etc).

In 'Sport' steering is heavier, suspension, and gearbox are slightly more responsive. When you press the flappy paddle it switches to 'Manual' (M1/M2/M3/etc) for about 8 seconds and then reverts back to 'Drive' (D1/D2/D3/etc).

When you push the gearstick over to the left it enters 'Sequential' mode (S1/S2/S3/etc). Gearbox is MUCH more responsive and aggressive. If you use the flappy paddles in this mode it will changed from 'Sequential' mode to 'Manual' and stay in that mode until the gearstick is moved back to the normal position.

Hope this clears things up.
Well, Lazza, does it? :)
Sorry chap, was at work all day then Italian lesson this evening!

Pretty much the same on mine except I don’t have the adaptive suspension so the ride doesn’t change with the modes, just the steering weight and the gear change points in auto. I haven’t really used Sport+, When honing it I usually use Sport & S or M mode.
Z4 S-Drive 35i
Audi TT S-line
Mazda MX5 Mk2.5 (for sale)
Wokingham Berkshire

eff1guy
Member
Member
Posts: 310
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:31 pm
Location: West Mids

Flappy paddles

Post by eff1guy » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:33 pm

How easy is it to remove the paddles, I presume you don't need to take the wheel off? Is there some sort of screw or clip fixing to release the paddle itself? :?
Next Z landed ..... Z3 3.0i Sport Roadster

Z4 35iS ..... Gone to a new home

Philly_Sweden
Member
Member
Posts: 495
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:35 pm

Flappy paddles

Post by Philly_Sweden » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:49 am

eff1guy wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:33 pm How easy is it to remove the paddles, I presume you don't need to take the wheel off? Is there some sort of screw or clip fixing to release the paddle itself? :?
Youtube is your friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgnPs4RMUJk

Busterboo
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 2811
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:49 am

Flappy paddles

Post by Busterboo » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:28 am

eff1guy wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:33 pm How easy is it to remove the paddles, I presume you don't need to take the wheel off? Is there some sort of screw or clip fixing to release the paddle itself? :?
Do you really want to go from (1) change up & down on each side to (2) change down on the left & up on the right?

With (1) you can change up or down with either hand, which is convenient and efficient. With (2) on a twisty road, you can find yourself struggling.

I've had both on different cars and, for me, (1) is much better.
Vidi, vici, veni

Hunter
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 1820
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 7:44 pm
Location: notts/derby

Flappy paddles

Post by Hunter » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:14 pm

Busterboo wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:28 am
eff1guy wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:33 pm How easy is it to remove the paddles, I presume you don't need to take the wheel off? Is there some sort of screw or clip fixing to release the paddle itself? :?

Do you really want to go from (1) change up & down on each side to (2) change down on the left & up on the right?

With (1) you can change up or down with either hand, which is convenient and efficient. With (2) on a twisty road, you can find yourself struggling.

I've had both on different cars and, for me, (1) is much better.
Ive also had both and prefer the one side for up and one for down. I think its more intuitive and the originals seemed to be set the wrong way around anyway.....
E89 S Drive 35iS

Post Reply