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Specific discussion about the E89 2009 Z4 (sDrive35is, sDrive35i, sDrive30i, sDrive23i)
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Post by Tyreman » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:20 pm

Nick9one1 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:30 pmContinentals recommendation:

To me it reads.. not ideal. But you can.

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Please bear in mind that runflats are a different type of construction to a normal pneumatic tyre.......the above does not apply because it relates to pattern, brand, load & speed index but not construction !

A runflat is substantially heavier, has stiffer sidewalls and totally different handling characteristics............if you don't want to listen to tyre company's because there is the perception that they are all trying to rip people off ask BMW what they think :wink:

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Post by Gaffa22 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pm

For the sake of a couple hundred quid I personally would not take the risk of mixing them.
And in event of an accident if mixing the tyres was seen as a contributory factor, I think your insurance company might be miffed
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Post by mr wilks » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pm

Tyreman wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:20 pm
if you don't want to listen to tyre company's because there is the perception that they are all trying to rip people off ask BMW what they think :wink:
That old one :D " Bmw " " the car company that never gets it wrong " :P

the company that thinks 18k is ok for service intervals on performance cars :D
the company that thinks fitting runflats is acceptable on a 330bhp 2 seater sports car :D ( but never on ///M cars :wink: )
the company that fits 255 30 19 runflats onto 9j wide alloy rims that then split due to oe PSI of 44 :cry: )
the company that fitted roof motors where they get flooded :poke: :P

Once you start believing the big names & never question then its game over , they aren't infallible by a long way
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Post by Tyreman » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:39 pm

mr wilks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pm
Tyreman wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:20 pm
if you don't want to listen to tyre company's because there is the perception that they are all trying to rip people off ask BMW what they think :wink:
That old one :D " Bmw " " the car company that never gets it wrong " :P

the company that thinks 18k is ok for service intervals on performance cars :D
the company that thinks fitting runflats is acceptable on a 330bhp 2 seater sports car :D ( but never on ///M cars :wink: )
the company that fits 255 30 19 runflats onto 9j wide alloy rims that then split due to oe PSI of 44 :cry: )

Once you start believing the big names & never question then its game over , they aren't infallible by a long way

I don't have to question anybody on this one, after over 30 years experience in the tyre industry and knowing the differences in construction and the effects on the "unsprung weight" you absolutely should not mix them..........end of story.......anyone with a different view to this is simply wrong ! :fuelfire:

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Post by mr wilks » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 pm

Tyreman wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:39 pm
mr wilks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pm
Tyreman wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:20 pm
if you don't want to listen to tyre company's because there is the perception that they are all trying to rip people off ask BMW what they think :wink:
That old one :D " Bmw " " the car company that never gets it wrong " :P

the company that thinks 18k is ok for service intervals on performance cars :D
the company that thinks fitting runflats is acceptable on a 330bhp 2 seater sports car :D ( but never on ///M cars :wink: )
the company that fits 255 30 19 runflats onto 9j wide alloy rims that then split due to oe PSI of 44 :cry: )

Once you start believing the big names & never question then its game over , they aren't infallible by a long way

I don't have to question anybody on this one, after over 30 years experience in the tyre industry and knowing the differences in construction and the effects on the "unsprung weight" you absolutely should not mix them..........end of story.......anyone with a different view to this is simply wrong ! :fuelfire:
As with most things tyre / wheel related there are so many variables out there to say 100% that it would be any more dangerous than the car behind you or in front of you .
One might be a £500 Peugeot 106 with 4 non runflats all different brand with mixed asymmetric & directional ranging from 2mm to 8mm & all different pressures . Op on the other hand with his prestige german quality built sportscar might have quality tyres albeit runflats on the rear , non runflats on the front but very good ABS & TC :? i know which one id rather cover 300 miles in :driving: :P
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Post by Tyreman » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:10 pm

mr wilks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 pm
Tyreman wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:39 pm
mr wilks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pm That old one :D " Bmw " " the car company that never gets it wrong " :P

the company that thinks 18k is ok for service intervals on performance cars :D
the company that thinks fitting runflats is acceptable on a 330bhp 2 seater sports car :D ( but never on ///M cars :wink: )
the company that fits 255 30 19 runflats onto 9j wide alloy rims that then split due to oe PSI of 44 :cry: )

Once you start believing the big names & never question then its game over , they aren't infallible by a long way

I don't have to question anybody on this one, after over 30 years experience in the tyre industry and knowing the differences in construction and the effects on the "unsprung weight" you absolutely should not mix them..........end of story.......anyone with a different view to this is simply wrong ! :fuelfire:
As with most things tyre / wheel related there are so many variables out there to say 100% that it would be any more dangerous than the car behind you or in front of you .
One might be a £500 Peugeot 106 with 4 non runflats all different brand with mixed asymmetric & directional ranging from 2mm to 8mm & all different pressures . Op on the other hand with his prestige german quality built sportscar might have quality tyres albeit runflats on the rear , non runflats on the front but very good ABS & TC :? i know which one id rather cover 300 miles in :driving: :P
What you say is perfectly true and it has to be said that the tyre law in the U.K is woefully inadequate due to the fact that the government relies heavily on businesses and the general public following recommendations rather than suitable legislation.

We have a tyre law allowing 1.6mm over 75% of the tread width with the remainder allowed to be devoid of tread, we allow the mixing of directional, asymmetric & composite tread patterns.

We import tens of thousands of part worn tyres from other parts of the world with more stringent regulation than our own, however the question here is should the op mix runflats and normal pneumatics and the simple answer is no.

Legally he can but that doesn't mean that he should do so :thumbsup:

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Post by ronk » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:34 pm

As a personal choice, I don’t even mix tyre Brands or Types.
There’s a lot of testing that goes into tyre Technology - Tyre manufactures spend a lot of cash to test and measure these results - friction, slip angles etc., so while driving like miss daisy nothing will be noticed - but push on a bit ...?
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Post by Smartbear » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:50 pm

ronk wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:34 pmAs a personal choice, I don’t even mix tyre Brands or Types.
There’s a lot of testing that goes into tyre Technology - Tyre manufactures spend a lot of cash to test and measure these results - friction, slip angles etc., so while driving like miss daisy nothing will be noticed - but push on a bit ...?
Yep, I’ve done that a few times Ron & I’m still here to tell the tale :P
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Post by flybobbie » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:44 pm

I ran mixed for a few weeks, the car steering dreadfully. Glad to get rid of the RFT.
The RFT were trying to tram line and the non's just went with the flow. Strange feeling.

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Post by ronk » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:31 am

This might be old ground but the Bridgestone runflats on the E85 were scarey but on both E89 (3.0l and 35is) I can’t complain. The ride is ok and no tramlining.
Pot holes are the only headache.

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Post by Busterboo » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:39 pm

mr wilks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pmalloy rims that then split due to ... PSI of 44
Tyres split alloys? Yeah, right. :rofl:
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Post by mr wilks » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:22 pm

Busterboo wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:39 pm
mr wilks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:31 pmalloy rims that then split due to ... PSI of 44
Tyres split alloys? Yeah, right. :rofl:
Tyre type , size & pressure would increase or decrease chances of splits :? Or would you say only a deficient rim is the cause of splits ?
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Post by Busterboo » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:11 pm

I don't know and you don't, either.
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Post by obewan » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:32 pm

ronk wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:31 amThis might be old ground but the Bridgestone runflats on the E85 were scarey but on both E89 (3.0l and 35is) I can’t complain. The ride is ok and no tramlining.
Pot holes are the only headache.

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Minority +1 ronk :thumbsup:
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Post by Busterboo » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:20 pm

obewan wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:32 pm
ronk wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:31 amThis might be old ground but the Bridgestone runflats on the E85 were scarey but on both E89 (3.0l and 35is) I can’t complain. The ride is ok and no tramlining.
Pot holes are the only headache.

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I know I’m in a minority
Minority +1 ronk :thumbsup:
I'm with you :exitright:
:) Well, that's saved some money, then.
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