Z4 No10 , , 35i manual / subtle mods + a few wheel changes

Zoomer · Post by **Zoomer** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:02 pm

Busterboo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:33 am
jamie_z4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:20 am
Busterboo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:10 am Automatic ... DCT
DCT ... automatic
Mmm ... nah, not the same thing.

Mind you, if you want to think they are ...
You've totally missed my factual post, you can drive a dct on an automatic licence- Or do you know better than the dvla?
Actually, you've made a very good point. An automatic box is easier to drive than a manual, which is why there's a separate licence for it. A DCT, however, is more complex to use properly than either, so perhaps there should be a license for it, too.

Busterboo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:33 am

jamie_z4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:20 am
Busterboo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:10 am Automatic ... DCT
DCT ... automatic
Mmm ... nah, not the same thing.

Mind you, if you want to think they are ...
You've totally missed my factual post, you can drive a dct on an automatic licence- Or do you know better than the dvla?
Actually, you've made a very good point. An automatic box is easier to drive than a manual, which is why there's a separate licence for it. A DCT, however, is more complex to use properly than either, so perhaps there should be a license for it, too.

There's no clutch pedal so it's an Auto end of.

john-e89 · Post by **john-e89** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:17 pm

[quote=Busterboo post_ A DCT, however, is more complex to use properly than either, so perhaps there should be a license for it, too.

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Of course there should be...pure common sense isn’t it...?? Screw them Buster old son...the others, that all disagree with you by the way, will never understand will they....you make your stand mate....eye of the tiger fella.....GGGRRRRRRRRR..!!
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Busterboo · Post by **Busterboo** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:22 pm

Thanks, I shan't.

Yes, DCT = A & A + KD (with timed default to A) in N
But it also =
A + M via P (with default to A)
A + M via L (with no default to A)
M via L (with no default)
All these in N & S
Some in SS via P or L
And combinations of some of these.
DCT changes are also much faster than A, of course.
(A = Auto, KD = Kick-down, M = Manual, P = Paddle, L = Lever, N = Normal, S = Sport, SS = SportS)

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

Smartbear · Post by **Smartbear** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:27 pm

Busterboo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:22 pm Thanks, I shan't.

Yes, DCT = A & A + KD (with timed default to A) in N
But it also =
A + M via P (with default to A)
A + M via L (with no default to A)
M via L (with no default)
All these in N & S
Some in SS via P or L
And combinations of some of these.
DCT changes are also much faster than A, of course.
(A = Auto, KD = Kick-down, M = Manual, P = Paddle, L = Lever, N = Normal, S = Sport, SS = SportS)

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

I’m pretty sure my smart roadster had the same options for shifting & similar driving technique-it had fully auto, sequential change mode with stick & flappy paddle options as well

That was known as an automated manual as it had a robotised clutch & gearchange actuators

Rob

Busterboo · Post by **Busterboo** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:15 pm

Some and slower, but, yes, I believe it did.

Busterboo · Post by **Busterboo** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:22 pm

HillWalker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:43 pm Let it go Busterboo, I've got one, I don't have to change gear, why because it changes gear itself i.e. AUTOMATICALLY end of story.

If you have one and you believe that, you're driving it wrong.

jamie_z4 · Post by **jamie_z4** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

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Pastry · Post by **Pastry** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:22 pm

Surely tyres pressures and cracked alloys can be chucked into this argument somehow

john-e89 · Post by **john-e89** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:23 pm

Busterboo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:22 pm

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

I did....for 3 years.....which is why I’m selling it.

I discovered I didn’t like auto’s......

Z4M-2006 · Post by **Z4M-2006** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:53 pm

Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

jamie_z4 · Post by **jamie_z4** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:03 pm

Pastry wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:22 pm
Surely tyres pressures and cracked alloys can be chucked into this argument somehow

18" e89 alloys statically don't crack you know

jamie_z4 · Post by **jamie_z4** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:03 pm

Z4M-2006 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:53 pm Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

Z4M-2006 · Post by **Z4M-2006** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:06 pm

jamie_z4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:03 pm
Z4M-2006 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:53 pm Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...
The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

Class them how you like,you cant stop technology making stuff better,whatever the applcation

Marlon · Post by **Marlon** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm

john-e89 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:23 pm
Busterboo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:22 pm

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.
I did....for 3 years.....which is why I’m selling it.
. . .

Really John?

jamie_z4 · Post by **jamie_z4** » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:20 pm

Z4M-2006 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:06 pm
jamie_z4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:03 pm
Z4M-2006 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:53 pm Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...
The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)
jamie_z4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:03 pm
Z4M-2006 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:53 pm Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...
The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)
Class them how you like,you cant stop technology making stuff better,whatever the applcation

Why you being so defensive. It's a fact that's stated by the dvla not an opinion jesus.

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