Pirelli Cinturato P7

[stupot1]

Another tyre question
Has anyone tried the Pirelli Cinturato P7 tyre
Rating
Weather A
Fuel A
Noise 72
Plus 3 eco impact icons on the sidewall , energy efficient, high mileage and clean air
Very good reviews
£91 for the 225
I need 2 fronts in the next few weeks..
Any good....?

[road warrior]

Not the the best not the worst,

[mmm-five]

The ones with the better 'eco' & fuel ratings tend to be those with the least rolling resistance - less resistance = less wear = less fuel used.

So if you want a tyre that lasts a long time (although what do you consider high mileage?), is a bit noisy and gives you 1 or 2mpg better, and you don't need the last word in grip (i.e. for track days or hooning) then go for it.

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Bit of further info around the new tests though, as each manufacturer grades their own tyres within their own range. There are however, ranges that they're supposed to stick to, so a manufacturer might change a compound/pattern slightly if their tyre is on the cusp of a better rating, but only if it doesn't affect performance in another category.

...and there are plans to change the label this/next year

Wet Braking/Grip (not wet weather, so it may stop well or be resistant to aquaplaning at 40mph, but not turn well in the wet)
3m per level increase when braking from 50mph to 12mph
can't find any info on what scores are provided by the 2nd part of the test (wet grip)

Tyre with an A-grade stop in 40m, vs a tyre with F-grade stopping in 55m - quite a big difference (it's measured up to G, but it's illegal to sell a G-rated one)

Fuel Efficiency
1.25% fuel use increase per level

Assume a tyre is supposed to last 40,000 miles, the difference between a A grade and a G grade is about 80 litres over the full life of the tyre may be 1 litre saving every 500 miles (about £1.30 per fill), but the difference between an A grade and B grade may only be 1 litre saving every 2500 miles (£0.25) per fill up).

Also, don't forget that this is only relevant with a specific manufacture, so an B-rated tyre from Pirelli may give better fuel economy over an A-rated one from Michelin. But that information is never shared as it's commercially-sensitive.

External Tyre Noise
3dB per level increase above the 'future European mandatory limit'

dB shown is measured from 7.5m away at 50mph, and the black bars show how many steps above the future noise limit they are - sometimes lower rolling resistance tyres are quieter.

[stupot1]

The ones with the better 'eco' & fuel ratings tend to be those with the least rolling resistance - less resistance = less wear = less fuel used.

So if you want a tyre that lasts a long time (although what do you consider high mileage?), is a bit noisy and gives you 1 or 2mpg better, and you don't need the last word in grip (i.e. for track days or hooning) then go for it.

---

Bit of further info around the new tests though, as each manufacturer grades their own tyres within their own range. There are however, ranges that they're supposed to stick to, so a manufacturer might change a compound/pattern slightly if their tyre is on the cusp of a better rating, but only if it doesn't affect performance in another category.

...and there are plans to change the label this/next year

Wet Braking/Grip (not wet weather, so it may stop well or be resistant to aquaplaning at 40mph, but not turn well in the wet)
3m per level increase when braking from 50mph to 12mph
can't find any info on what scores are provided by the 2nd part of the test (wet grip)

Tyre with an A-grade stop in 40m, vs a tyre with F-grade stopping in 55m - quite a big difference (it's measured up to G, but it's illegal to sell a G-rated one)

Fuel Efficiency
1.25% fuel use increase per level

Assume a tyre is supposed to last 40,000 miles, the difference between a A grade and a G grade is about 80 litres over the full life of the tyre may be 1 litre saving every 500 miles (about £1.30 per fill), but the difference between an A grade and B grade may only be 1 litre saving every 2500 miles (£0.25) per fill up).

Also, don't forget that this is only relevant with a specific manufacture, so an B-rated tyre from Pirelli may give better fuel economy over an A-rated one from Michelin. But that information is never shared as it's commercially-sensitive.

External Tyre Noise
3dB per level increase above the 'future European mandatory limit'

dB shown is measured from 7.5m away at 50mph, and the black bars show how many steps above the future noise limit they are - sometimes lower rolling resistance tyres are quieter.

Excellent info
Cheers for that

[Mr Tidy]

I ran 4 sets of Pirelli run-flats on my 1 Series and never had an issue with them (205/50 x 17s).

Now I've got Pirelli P Zero run-flats as my summer tyres for my E91 in 225/45 x 17 size and I'm very happy with them. I got 2 last year for £205.

They're way better than the Bridgestone RFTs on my Z4.

[mr wilks]

I had a set a few years back & thought they were woeful 19s on a 23i E89 the first sight of a damp bend the car was all over the place classed as a "eco performance " tyre i think , maybe good as a all rounder on a Honda Jazz just not suitable for a rwd sports car was my parting thought , to summarise " would never buy again "
Just fit Pirelli Pzero to current 18s on Si coupe , seem more than ok , id pay a little more OP

[stupot1]

From the info above, I'm binning the Cinturato idea and I'll look for something else
Thanks for the information.

[road warrior]

Take a look at the auto express 2018 summer tyres review
Or this
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2 ... e-Test.htm
I think mmm5 said much the same as me but I was more succinct

[mr wilks]

Take a look at the auto express 2018 summer tyres review
Or this
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2 ... e-Test.htm
I think mmm5 said much the same as me but I was more succinct

Cant see any mention in that link of the Cinturato tyre
Though reading through it was interesting that the currently forum halo'd MPS4 was second to the Conti 6 not that id ever buy tyres specifically on magazine or internet reviews , unless by some random accident they were actually tested on a Z4 or even a rwd 2 seater sports car as opposed to a fwd Golf or Mondeo estate

[mmm-five]

Cant see any mention in that link of the Cinturato tyre
Though reading through it was interesting that the currently forum halo'd MPS4 was second to the Conti 6 not that id ever buy tyres specifically on magazine or internet reviews , unless by some random accident they were actually tested on a Z4 or even a rwd 2 seater sports car as opposed to a fwd Golf or Mondeo estate

I've never had a problem with the performance of Contis (except for the abysmal SportContact M3 that the Z4M came with as standard). The only reason I now go for Michelin or Goodyear over them is that they wear too fast - in the region of about 2x the wear - so it just makes them poor value for money.

[road warrior]

Take a look at the auto express 2018 summer tyres review
Or this
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2 ... e-Test.htm
I think mmm5 said much the same as me but I was more succinct

Cant see any mention in that link of the Cinturato tyre
Though reading through it was interesting that the currently forum halo'd MPS4 was second to the Conti 6 not that id ever buy tyres specifically on magazine or internet reviews , unless by some random accident they were actually tested on a Z4 or even a rwd 2 seater sports car as opposed to a fwd Golf or Mondeo estate

that was the point mr wilks, the conti p7 wasnt good enough for a mention
and whilst i acknowledge your infinite wisdom its seems logical and rational to take note of someone who tests tyres and is impartial to brand or make unless of course you intend to dedicate your life to testing every tyre on the market today and have access to a test track with which to test them all, not withstanding it might get a bit costly however, i await your conclusions and should I live long enough to see your concluded independent opinions i will of course consider your opinions alongside the other opinions available.

And yes, member knowledge on the relevance to a z4 is of course useful but given that we tend to do around 5k a year on average , and even the worst will last at least 2-3 years and that tyres are updated and improved yearly what might be the dogs danglys 3 years ago may be outshone now by a Korean upstart today

[mr wilks]

Take a look at the auto express 2018 summer tyres review
Or this
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2 ... e-Test.htm
I think mmm5 said much the same as me but I was more succinct

Cant see any mention in that link of the Cinturato tyre
Though reading through it was interesting that the currently forum halo'd MPS4 was second to the Conti 6 not that id ever buy tyres specifically on magazine or internet reviews , unless by some random accident they were actually tested on a Z4 or even a rwd 2 seater sports car as opposed to a fwd Golf or Mondeo estate

that was the point mr wilks, the conti p7 wasnt good enough for a mention
and whilst i acknowledge your infinite wisdom its seems logical and rational to take note of someone who tests tyres and is impartial to brand or make unless of course you intend to dedicate your life to testing every tyre on the market today and have access to a test track with which to test them all, not withstanding it might get a bit costly however, i await your conclusions and should I live long enough to see your concluded independent opinions i will of course consider your opinions alongside the other opinions available.

Come down off that horse RW , i was merely stating the obvious , no point following a review for something that has little relevance to the end use for which you have intended bit like buying a hoover that's fantastic at picking up pet hair but you don't have a pet .
Tyre tests are done on mainstream vehicles most often fwd saloons , not really the same handling characteristics or weight of a 2 seater sports car i'm sure you will agree .
The UHP section of this is worth a watch , much sense talked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseDx-aBaK4&t=539s

[road warrior]

Cant see any mention in that link of the Cinturato tyre
Though reading through it was interesting that the currently forum halo'd MPS4 was second to the Conti 6 not that id ever buy tyres specifically on magazine or internet reviews , unless by some random accident they were actually tested on a Z4 or even a rwd 2 seater sports car as opposed to a fwd Golf or Mondeo estate

that was the point mr wilks, the conti p7 wasnt good enough for a mention
and whilst i acknowledge your infinite wisdom its seems logical and rational to take note of someone who tests tyres and is impartial to brand or make unless of course you intend to dedicate your life to testing every tyre on the market today and have access to a test track with which to test them all, not withstanding it might get a bit costly however, i await your conclusions and should I live long enough to see your concluded independent opinions i will of course consider your opinions alongside the other opinions available.

Come down off that horse RW , i was merely stating the obvious , no point following a review for something that has little relevance to the end use for which you have intended bit like buying a hoover that's fantastic at picking up pet hair but you don't have a pet .
Tyre tests are done on mainstream vehicles most often fwd saloons , not really the same handling characteristics or weight of a 2 seater sports car i'm sure you will agree .
The UHP section of this is worth a watch , much sense talked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseDx-aBaK4&t=539s

laughs, no horse here. just having a laugh as usual i have reached a giddy height in sarcasm and taking the mickey - seems a shame to waste it