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Post by dhobbs » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:56 pm

Zedtastic wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:18 pm
dhobbs wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:17 pm I’ve just got textar e-pads and Brembo xtra discs for the front.
I got the pads from EuroCarParts with the normal 50% discount offer.
I actually got the discs cheaper through amazon than was available from EuroCarParts!
EuroCarParts are always having some sort of sale, the code is normally on their website.
Their sister website carparts4less is always a good comparison.

How do you get the 50% off discount at Euro Car Parts?
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Post by Felix79 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:17 am

I use to use EBC Blue Stuff pads in my Impreza, would these also be a good option with my E85 M? I'm not really liking the brake feel with my M and even my old man has grumbled how he doesn't like the feel of the brakes either.

I found with the blue stuff pads, once you got heat into them, they were a very progressive pad but would bite if needed. I know they are not normally meant for road use, but I'd rather have pads that will not fade on me no matter how much heavy breaking I do on the roads. I did have really beefy front brakes, with a 4 piston Alcon caliper and 330mm drilled disc. Weight wise, I think the Impreza was maybe 100kg's lighter than my E85 M.

In the E46 M3 Cab, my old man used red stuff pads and he actually swapped them out with the "normal" pads as he said he ruined the feel of the brakes. He does like really grabby brakes. I would like the brakes to feel like they come on quicker but let me have to travel in the pedal. I don't know how to put things into words right, but it feels like I have to put more distance on the pedal and they don't start to bite until I really apply more force. The car has a fresh MOT on it, so I know the brakes are "safe" , but they don't inspire total confidence. It's the only negative I have with the car (bar it being a pig to go from 1st to 2nd gear when cold)

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Post by mjennings23 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:27 am

I have EBC Yellows on at the minute. I was looking at them or the Ferodo 2500, ended up with the EBC as I got them for a frankly rediculous price from ECP with one of their rare codes that worked on performance parts.

I'm perfectly happy with them and would likely stick with the same when replacing. They bite well from cold and work better hot. I've noticed they are a bit squealy when cooling down but that's nothing to worry about. Given the car plenty of blasts and they never failed to inspire a bit of confidence when combined with ATE TYP200 fluid.

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Post by Felix79 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:05 am

mjennings23 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:27 am I have EBC Yellows on at the minute. I was looking at them or the Ferodo 2500, ended up with the EBC as I got them for a frankly rediculous price from ECP with one of their rare codes that worked on performance parts.

I'm perfectly happy with them and would likely stick with the same when replacing. They bite well from cold and work better hot. I've noticed they are a bit squealy when cooling down but that's nothing to worry about. Given the car plenty of blasts and they never failed to inspire a bit of confidence when combined with ATE TYP200 fluid.
I will give them a try. The fluid has a higher boiling point, so it keeps it's thickness better at hotter temps?

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Post by mjennings23 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:09 am

Felix79 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:05 am
mjennings23 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:27 am I have EBC Yellows on at the minute. I was looking at them or the Ferodo 2500, ended up with the EBC as I got them for a frankly rediculous price from ECP with one of their rare codes that worked on performance parts.

I'm perfectly happy with them and would likely stick with the same when replacing. They bite well from cold and work better hot. I've noticed they are a bit squealy when cooling down but that's nothing to worry about. Given the car plenty of blasts and they never failed to inspire a bit of confidence when combined with ATE TYP200 fluid.
I will give them a try. The fluid has a higher boiling point, so it keeps it's thickness better at hotter temps?
I'm not hugely clued up on the benefits of better brake fluids, my understanding is the higher boiling point means it's much less likely to boil up and lose the pedal, yeah. For the price of brake fluid it's not a big cost every 2 years to use a £14 fluid instead of a £4 one.

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Post by Felix79 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:47 pm

mjennings23 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:09 am
Felix79 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:05 am
mjennings23 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:27 am I have EBC Yellows on at the minute. I was looking at them or the Ferodo 2500, ended up with the EBC as I got them for a frankly rediculous price from ECP with one of their rare codes that worked on performance parts.

I'm perfectly happy with them and would likely stick with the same when replacing. They bite well from cold and work better hot. I've noticed they are a bit squealy when cooling down but that's nothing to worry about. Given the car plenty of blasts and they never failed to inspire a bit of confidence when combined with ATE TYP200 fluid.
I will give them a try. The fluid has a higher boiling point, so it keeps it's thickness better at hotter temps?
I'm not hugely clued up on the benefits of better brake fluids, my understanding is the higher boiling point means it's much less likely to boil up and lose the pedal, yeah. For the price of brake fluid it's not a big cost every 2 years to use a £14 fluid instead of a £4 one.
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Post by Capa » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:56 pm

Felix79 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:17 am I use to use EBC Blue Stuff pads in my Impreza, would these also be a good option with my E85 M? I'm not really liking the brake feel with my M and even my old man has grumbled how he doesn't like the feel of the brakes either.

I found with the blue stuff pads, once you got heat into them, they were a very progressive pad but would bite if needed. I know they are not normally meant for road use, but I'd rather have pads that will not fade on me no matter how much heavy breaking I do on the roads. I did have really beefy front brakes, with a 4 piston Alcon caliper and 330mm drilled disc. Weight wise, I think the Impreza was maybe 100kg's lighter than my E85 M.

In the E46 M3 Cab, my old man used red stuff pads and he actually swapped them out with the "normal" pads as he said he ruined the feel of the brakes. He does like really grabby brakes. I would like the brakes to feel like they come on quicker but let me have to travel in the pedal. I don't know how to put things into words right, but it feels like I have to put more distance on the pedal and they don't start to bite until I really apply more force. The car has a fresh MOT on it, so I know the brakes are "safe" , but they don't inspire total confidence. It's the only negative I have with the car (bar it being a pig to go from 1st to 2nd gear when cold)
I'll admit, I don't have an M here, but you might just be on to something. One of the things I dislike about mine, is that there's too much 'bite' at the top of the pedal, and the brakes aren't progressive throughout the travel of the pedal. I figured it was probably some kinda safety thing dialled in with an overactive brake booster or something, but I wonder if it could be dialled out with pads...
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Post by Felix79 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:22 pm

Capa wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:56 pm
Felix79 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:17 am I use to use EBC Blue Stuff pads in my Impreza, would these also be a good option with my E85 M? I'm not really liking the brake feel with my M and even my old man has grumbled how he doesn't like the feel of the brakes either.

I found with the blue stuff pads, once you got heat into them, they were a very progressive pad but would bite if needed. I know they are not normally meant for road use, but I'd rather have pads that will not fade on me no matter how much heavy breaking I do on the roads. I did have really beefy front brakes, with a 4 piston Alcon caliper and 330mm drilled disc. Weight wise, I think the Impreza was maybe 100kg's lighter than my E85 M.

In the E46 M3 Cab, my old man used red stuff pads and he actually swapped them out with the "normal" pads as he said he ruined the feel of the brakes. He does like really grabby brakes. I would like the brakes to feel like they come on quicker but let me have to travel in the pedal. I don't know how to put things into words right, but it feels like I have to put more distance on the pedal and they don't start to bite until I really apply more force. The car has a fresh MOT on it, so I know the brakes are "safe" , but they don't inspire total confidence. It's the only negative I have with the car (bar it being a pig to go from 1st to 2nd gear when cold)
I'll admit, I don't have an M here, but you might just be on to something. One of the things I dislike about mine, is that there's too much 'bite' at the top of the pedal, and the brakes aren't progressive throughout the travel of the pedal. I figured it was probably some kinda safety thing dialled in with an overactive brake booster or something, but I wonder if it could be dialled out with pads...
The compound of the pads changes the feel so much. Red and Yellowstuff pads need less heat to bite, so they can feel grabby. Bluestuff are racing pads, so you need to get them really hot for them to get to the same stage.

Also the brake pad compound will effects how much dust is produced by the pads and how durable they are.

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Post by Zedtastic » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:23 pm

dhobbs wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:56 pm
Zedtastic wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:18 pm
dhobbs wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:17 pm I’ve just got textar e-pads and Brembo xtra discs for the front.
I got the pads from EuroCarParts with the normal 50% discount offer.
I actually got the discs cheaper through amazon than was available from EuroCarParts!
EuroCarParts are always having some sort of sale, the code is normally on their website.
Their sister website carparts4less is always a good comparison.

How do you get the 50% off discount at Euro Car Parts?
I tried ordering from ECP earlier this week, and they were only offering 35% off code. I didn't bother. Today, I noticed they have introduced a new code and I was able to get 50% off. So, I just ordered ATE rear discs and Brembo pads; £88.74 with free delivery :thumbsup:

The code is XMAS75 if anyone's interested.
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Post by dhobbs » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:22 pm

I just got Brembo drilled discs from amazon for £100 for the pair. Been a nightmare as they only supplied one disc and thankfully amazon fulfilled the order and got a second disc. Description was for a set of two so they didn’t have a leg to stand on really.
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