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Post by mattyman22 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:37 pm

Hey all, I'm new here but I was hoping for a quick assistance to the issue I'm currently having of adding a gps module to my Z4. So I have bought a female connector for the 12v accessory plus in the GPS came with. I've connected the GPS 12v male charger to the female connector and run a wire to a crimped add-a-fuse device with a 10 amp fuse on it. The ground wire is running to a screw just below the glove box which is helping to secure the glove box on the dash. I've tried to power this on a number of ways now:
1. Add a fuse device with 10 amp fuse into an empty fuse slot (F2). Nothing.
2. Add a fuse device connected to an existing 10 amp fuse F6 (with my added on fuse in the second slot). Nothing.
3. I have tested the GPS 12v male connector into the cigarette lighter and it turns right on. So it seems to be operating just fine.

Each time in each of these configurations I have turned the key all the way over and nothing happens with the GPS. I'm lost here!
Could it be a bad ground on that screw? I have tried flipping the way I put the fuses in all different orientations to no success as well. (no blown fuses either).

Gods, help me please! :headbang:


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Post by mattyman22 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:39 pm

You can also see my ground connection to the screw in the last photo.

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Post by G600 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:43 pm

Is that scew actually a ground? I think I had to go behind the fuse board to find one.
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Post by mattyman22 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:48 pm

You think that might be it? I'll try a ground directly to the door bolt just to test it and report back

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Post by wonkydonkey » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:56 pm

Did you check your earth screw and wire for continuity back to a good earth somewhere on the car? If not, it's a bit of a guessing game at the moment.
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Post by mattyman22 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:02 pm

Success, was able to test an actual grounded screw and it works just fine. The problem now is that the screw I tested was attached to the passenger side center console and it would be ugly as hell running that wire. I need to find a good ground somewhere to solder or attach it to that I can keep out of sight. The good news is that the circuit works fine! Now to just keep it looking nice.

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Post by Ducklakeview » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:05 pm

Those screws don't earth as they only secure the bottom on the glove box to the plastic trim. Remove the glovebox and there are two screws either side that go into the dash crossmember and are therefore earthed.

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Post by mattyman22 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:09 pm

Found one, all is well and it's a very clean setup! :D

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Post by wonkydonkey » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:47 am

Can I ask how you've joined your wires together? I get the feeling you're learning on the job a bit with this installation, which is great (we all have to learn these things). Ideally, your joints would be soldered and then covered over with heatshrink. If you don't want to use heatshrink, the next best thing would be insulation tape. Masking tape isn't very sticky and isn't very durable, leaving it likely to rub through in time. This means your wires might start shorting out, causing a fire hazard and unreliable operation. If you don't want to solder the joints, the next best thing would be crimped bullet or spade terminals.

Your earth point would ideally have a ring terminal crimped on which would then make a good contact under the head of the screw you chose to use, rather than having some twisted wires squashed in as you tighten the screw. The work I've listed above would only add about 10 minutes to your job but would make it a reliable and durable job, plus it would look good and professional. Advice you can either heed or ignore, of course - it's your car after all :)
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Post by mjennings23 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:56 am

An alternative to solder, and the method I've always been taught is actually preferable is crimping and heat shrink. Solder can have an effect on the resistance of the wire or something, whereas crimping is purely securing the two wire pieces together via mechanical means.

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Post by Magicarcher » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:34 pm

The easiest method of soldering two wires together with a degree of integrity is to use solder sleeves like: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Connector-Conn ... er+sleeves.

These contain a controlled amount of low melting point solder in a shrink sleeve. The shrink sleeve also has glue rings for sealing/additional strength. simply select right size, bare 6mm of wire for each wire. Butt together inside shrink sleeve overlapping the bare copper and heat up with a heatgun.
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Post by wonkydonkey » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:08 pm

mjennings23 wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:56 am An alternative to solder, and the method I've always been taught is actually preferable is crimping and heat shrink. Solder can have an effect on the resistance of the wire or something, whereas crimping is purely securing the two wire pieces together via mechanical means.
Also solder can corrode in time.
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Post by mattyman22 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:59 pm

Hey all, the tape in the picture was temporary for testing purposes, all wire joints have been crimped together in a much more permanent arrangement along with a soldered on ring for the grounding to the screw. :D

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Post by wonkydonkey » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:01 pm

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Post by ph001 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:14 am

Ducklakeview wrote: Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:05 pm Those screws don't earth as they only secure the bottom on the glove box to the plastic trim. Remove the glovebox and there are two screws either side that go into the dash crossmember and are therefore earthed.
Hmmm, I wonder if that is different on some models as I picked up my earth on that screw no problem. It actually fixes the plastic trim into a steel bar which you can clearly see in the pics above. You can even see welds on it.
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