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Post by NickDE » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:45 pm

peteslag wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:41 pm Have a great day by the way. I'm heading to Cadwell on the 14th May, I cant wait. It is one of my favourite UK circuits.
I'll be there too in my 330Ci. Also can't wait.

I use EBC Yellowstuff, both on my Z4C and the 330Ci. Very happy with them. No overheating etc issues, even when using them on the 330Ci which is a heavier car and is co-owned so is on the track pretty much non-stop as we swap driving duties.
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Post by peteslag » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:52 am

brillomaster wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:56 pm quick question for those who have tracked a z4 e85 3.0... how do you find rear brake pad wear? reason i ask is that ive done two trackdays now(wet bedford and dry donington), and the low brake pad warning has come on already (EBC bluestuffs, standard discs). Its getting to the point that i'm seriously considering saving my money on rear brake pads - no matter what i buy, 2 trackdays seems to be the limit. or even just go for EBC ultimax at the rear, and replace them every trackday for the sake of £28!

gona try and get one more day out of the pads i have in there since i have spares and i'm replacing the discs soon anyways, but i'm getting a bit bored of buying apparently decent pads and still changing them frequently. are ferodo ds2500s any better?
This is very strange. I'm not sure why your rears would wear more than the fronts. I'm just about to change my EBC blues after 8,000 miles and 3 track days. They have worn fairly evenly but are on their last legs. Have you got bluestuff on all four corners? Is there an issue with your brake biasing?

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Post by brillomaster » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:25 am

yeah, bluestuff all round. maybe its not as bad as I thought, i'll take the wheels off and inspect the pads properly before the next trackday and that will give me a definitive answer about what the wear rate is.

And then in the not to distant future i'll be doing a full overhaul, discs, ferodo pads, braided lines, so will see how things go after that.

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Post by peteslag » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:18 pm

NickDE wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:45 pm
peteslag wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:41 pm Have a great day by the way. I'm heading to Cadwell on the 14th May, I cant wait. It is one of my favourite UK circuits.
I'll be there too in my 330Ci. Also can't wait.

I'll see you there buddy, I have a silver E85 3.0 with CSL alloys.

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Post by G600 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:50 pm

Isn't the read brake wear due to the stability control braking to keep traction?
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Post by ph001 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:59 pm

G600 wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:50 pm Isn't the read brake wear due to the stability control braking to keep traction?
..who in their right mind has DSC on when on track! :evil:
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Post by peteslag » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:35 pm

ph001 wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:59 pm
G600 wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:50 pm Isn't the read brake wear due to the stability control braking to keep traction?
..who in their right mind has DSC on when on track! :evil:
I used it in on the morning of my first ever track day, that was the main reason why I was only getting 5 laps until the brakes were goosed. It is a pain in the arse when you forget to turn it off and the bloody thing kicks in and takes all of your acceleration away as you exit the first proper corner. :x

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Post by brillomaster » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:10 pm

just to update this, just got back from a trackday at Snetterton at the weekend. Car was running relatively well - played some warning light bingo, went into 5 cylinder mode at 1 point which necessitated a key off and key on down the back straight, but generally ok.

however, did get massive brake fade in the afternoon, which was somewhat frustrating... first the pedal was firm, but reduced braking ability - fair enough, pads were getting hot. but then, do a cooldown lap, but then upon coming into the pits, all the heat transferred to the fluid, and the pedal went straight to the floor, despite there being fresh fluid put in just a week before.

Never once had fluid boil on any old 3 series track cars, but then realised that the standard z4 3.0i has zero brake ducting to the front brakes, which I thought very odd! So next steps will be new pads all round (going to try ferodo DS2500), fresh fluid (Motul RBF660, no skimping this time) and also going to remove the front fogs and the access panel, to allow a route for air to get into the front wheel well and hopefully cool the brakes. May also remove the dust shields as well, seems strange to almost completely close off the rear face of the disc to any airflow.

Next trackday is Oulton park in July so potential for another hot day - though I don't think oulton is as hard on the brakes as snetterton.

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Post by Vanne » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:38 pm

Glad you had a ball mate :thumbsup:

Enough time in between to get your brakes sorted. :D

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Post by ph001 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:44 pm

ph001 wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:04 pm I think the lesson here is stop buying EBC! DS2500 will be a lot better or Performance Friction Z rated carbon metallic better still (prob cheaper than DS2500 as well).
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Post by brillomaster » Tue May 29, 2018 3:37 pm

right then... not messing around any more, just had some Performance Friction 08 compound pads delivered, and a litre of their finest 665 brake fluid... will get them fitted and bled, then it'll be shakedown at oulton in July in preparation for the big day at Spa at the end of September.

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Post by hopz121 » Tue May 29, 2018 4:57 pm

Time for the 3.0Si upgrade now surely whilst doing new pads etc?
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Post by PDJ » Tue May 29, 2018 9:37 pm

Cadwell is a great circuit, rewarding but can bite and bite hard.

Get some tuition or at least a passenger ride with some who can drive Cadwell well and can show you the way round.

in-between sessions leave the car in gear handbrake OFF

Doors open bonnet open to let the heat escape

Check your engine oil every session

check your tyres each session to see if you are going to have enough tread to drive home I have worn a set on a Westfiels in two track days

There is a fuel station and tyre companies in Louth

they some times ask for tow eyes to be fitted before you go out

NO loose items in the car

Pop up tent to put your stuff in while you are driving

Camping folding chair to sit on as the car will be too hot

Listen to the drivers briefing

Enjoy it

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