Oil change

[mr wilks]

Millers at the correct spec will cost £38 for just 5 litres, a complete waste of money when superior Quantum or Fuchs is only £18 for 5 litres when 20 litres is purchased or £25 when 5 litres is purchased.

Interested to why you believe the Quantum / Fuchs is "superior " We all have our favourite brands of products for whatever reason or belief , i favour Millers as all tests & research appears to acknowledge that their oils perform exceptionally well when pitched against any other like for like brands ( ie better in any tests ive ever studied )
Are the Quantum / Fuchs brands not as Opieoils suggest ?


opieoilman

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[report][news]Monday 3rd November 2014quotequote all
MJK 24 said:
Thanks for taking the time to reply,

Are the Quantum engine oils any good? A friend works at a Volkswagen TPS and says that the 5w30 LL3 and their 5w40 Platinum are good quality fully synthetic. He says they also do a basic 10w40 for older engines. He thinks it is all brewed by Castrol but the prices are almost suspiciously cheap when they have offers on so I do wonder if it's a good as he says?
Hi

As they aren't something we sell, I can't say too much, but like everything else, own brand oil is pretty much the basic option. Being made by Castrol/Fuchs/Shell etc is a bit irrelevant, it's made to VW's requirements, it's not a premium oil that is relabelled and sold at a lower price.
Cheers
Tim

the above taken from a PH discussion a few years back

[Davz]

Mr Wilks, please read my first post and follow the links about quantum/fuchs oil.
I might add that a post from 2014 is rather irrelevant considering that quantum oil is no longer made by bp/castrol and how a seller of oil is somehow an expert is beyond me, Opie do not publish any professional credentials and so they know no more or less than any layman......unless they are chemists or mech engineers? Would you expect Opie to say that VW quantum oil is actually Castrol edge but without the stupid badge price and cut his profits?
The new Quantum and Fuchs are one and the same, the friction load tests show the oil to be one of the best. Don't forget that every new audi/vw is filled with fuchs/quantum.....would you expect VW/Audi to choose an oil for all their vehicles if it wasn't any good, they dropped Bp/castrol was this due to cost or performance, certainly the performance of fuchs/quantum is superior to castrol edge in terms of friction reduction.
If you want to waste money on overpriced oil that is your choice, you would need to spend £152 for 20 litres of Millers to £72 of equivalent spec quantum/fuchs. Don't forget Crude oil prices crashed in Feb 2014 from around $130 a barrel to $50, currently at $60....did we see engine oil prices fall by over 50%? The big names have carried on ripping off customers.

[mr wilks]

Mr Wilks, please read my first post and follow the links about quantum/fuchs oil.
I might add that a post from 2014 is rather irrelevant considering that quantum oil is no longer made by bp/castrol
Would you expect Opie to say that VW quantum oil is actually Castrol edge but without the stupid badge price and cut his profits?
The new Quantum and Fuchs are one and the same, the friction load tests show the oil to be one of the best. Don't forget that every new audi/vw is filled with fuchs/quantum.....would you expect VW/Audi to choose an oil for all their vehicles if it wasn't any good, they dropped Bp/castrol was this due to cost or performance, certainly the performance of fuchs/quantum is superior to castrol edge in terms of friction reduction.
If you want to waste money on overpriced oil that is your choice, you would need to spend £152 for 20 litres of Millers to £72 of equivalent spec quantum/fuchs.

Post by Davz » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:54 pm

I use VW/Audi oil, which is quantum longlife 3 5w30. Quantum oil is made in the UK, used to be made by Bp or in other words "Castrol" and was just rebadged edge oil at a lower cost.

I have read your posts Davz & i'm left confused further up the thread you claim Quantum/Fuchs is actually Castol Edge rebadged then above you state the performance of Fuchs/Quantum is superior to castrol edge in terms of friction reduction
I dare say i could buy 20litres of 5w 30 oil for less than £72 if i was looking to save money but then again on the same basis i could buy cheaper tyres .
Car maintenance products are very much a personal choice & for now i'm more than happy to pay a little more for Millers , ive used the stuff for over 15 years & only ever been happy .
What i would add is (jmo) its far more important whatever oil you choose to change it yearly / 6k-7k & ignore the so called longlife capabilities of it to cover 2 years 16k-18k

[Truth]

...would you expect VW/Audi to choose an oil for all their vehicles if it wasn't any good, .

Would u expect VW Audi try to cheat emissions and lie about their cars. Maybe just maybe they are using an oil to make more money not because it is better?!!

[Davz]

Mr Wilks this is what was written in my first post:-
"I use VW/Audi oil, which is quantum longlife 3 5w30. Quantum oil is made in the UK, USED to be made by Bp or in other words "Castrol" and was just rebadged edge oil at a lower cost. However last year Vag CHANGED TO FUCHS as their supplier and the new Quantum is rebadged TITAN GT1 PRO C-3 SAE 5W-30 XTL, xtl is a new fuchs oil technology and is called QFX by Quantum. "
You did read this? I have highlighted the key words in uppercase incase you scan read like me!

Your correct you probably could buy some cheap oil and save a few quid, that oil may or may not be any good, the point is you can purchase a top end oil at a very low cost or you can buy an inferior oil for more money.....which scenario makes logical sense to you? Millers is a fine oil, it has a viscosity index of 165, anything over 150 is a synthetic grade oil, in comparison a standard mineral oil will have an index around 100-120. VI is the rate of change of viscosity between two temperatures. The lower the VI, the more the drop in viscosity as the oil warms up. The higher the VI value, the less the drop in viscosity as the oil warms up. Therefore look for an oil with a high VI, Fuchs/Quantum is 191, a very high index, higher than Millers, Edge and mobil 1. I know where my money is going irrespective of price and with a 6k mileage change it makes even more sense.

[mr wilks]

As long as you're happy with your choice then all is cool Davz , not seen or heard anything to make me change oil but then again life wouldn't work if everyone followed the same trails
The Millers range does offer higher viscosity for cars that require it such as the S54 ZMs , both my ///M cars i ran with CFS nano 10w 60 which has a VI of 175 , these cars hate extreme heat cycles & imo Millers was the best product for protection of the engine , i'm sure the Millers 5w 30 Trident LL is equally as good for the N54 & N52 where the duress & stresses are much less

[Scooba_Steve]

I don't think you can be in a bad place if you change the stuff more frequently than schedule.

[eddiemunster]

Maybe just maybe they are using an oil to make more money not because it is better?!!

They'll be aligned to an oil manufacturer of choice, in the same way they often are with tyres.

Oil makes/models can be important, particularly if you drive a diesel as you may well require low-ash content to ensure continued DPF operation. The original Ford zetecs are a good example of this, the genuine Ford-spec oil had an additive that stopped the valve guides sticking, using other oil often ended up with misfires and top-end noise.

[Truth]

Maybe just maybe they are using an oil to make more money not because it is better?!!

They'll be aligned to an oil manufacturer of choice, in the same way they often are with tyres..

So they can make more money. Simple

[mjennings23]

Maybe just maybe they are using an oil to make more money not because it is better?!!

They'll be aligned to an oil manufacturer of choice, in the same way they often are with tyres..

So they can make more money. Simple

This, absolutely. No doubt they'll have a spec, go to numerous oil companies with it and whoever agrees to the terms/best price gets the job and becomes the "recommended factory oil". As said earlier, it used to be Castrol for BMW, now it's Shell. Does that mean Shell suddenly started making the best oil? Of course not.

[Truth]

They'll be aligned to an oil manufacturer of choice, in the same way they often are with tyres..

So they can make more money. Simple

This, absolutely. No doubt they'll have a spec, go to numerous oil companies with it and whoever agrees to the terms/best price gets the job and becomes the "recommended factory oil". As said earlier, it used to be Castrol for BMW, now it's Shell. Does that mean Shell suddenly started making the best oil? Of course not.

[Davz]

Does that mean Shell suddenly started making the best oil? Of course not.

No...the VI is inferior to Fuchs

[Truth]

Does that mean Shell suddenly started making the best oil? Of course not.

No...the VI is inferior to Fuchs

Think you should check who you’re quoting! As that wasn’t me who typed it.

Also is there any oil that isn’t “inferior” to Fuchs?
Do you work for them?

[salb]

10 litres of millers long life £45 delivered .........from eBay