Toyota GR Yaris

[mmm-five]

If you get the cheaper Fester, you’ll end up being one of the thousands with one...get the Yaris and you’ll know your in a rarer, more expensive vehicle...which may retain its value better.

Not that I’d pay that much for either myself...but then I don’t buy brand new cars, so I’ll have to wait until either the Supra drops in price or I win the lottery.

[mmm-five]

So when this came up I was super excited and very interested BUT what has been said is undeniable, £35K for a 3 pot with an undeniably impressive 257bhp but because its so fat it has a lower bhp/tonne than my Si Coupe.

How’s the PtW less?

3.0si has 261bhp for 1320kg = 195bhp/ton

GR Shopping Trolley has 257bhp for 1280kg = 200bhp/ton

All specs according to Parkers.

Maybe just go for a Z4M...338bhp into 1420kg = 238bhp/ton

[flimper]

Is a 3.0si 1320kg? Never realised it was so much lighter than the M

[BTZ461]

255lbs avoirdupois less in the front for a start..........

[ben g]

A bloke in my work has one of these. He's about 50 and bald. He looks like a complete tit driving it. Better than his old car though, which was a hyundai coupe with ridiculous body kit straight out of fast and furious

This sounds like envy (without the ROFL and laughing faces).

No envy here. All my hard earned goes into property. That's where the money is investing in cars is not an easy thing and the returns aren't always that great.

[mmm-five]

Is a 3.0si 1320kg? Never realised it was so much lighter than the M

Don't know how accurate it is, but thought I should try to use the same source (Parkers) for all the weights to keep it fair.

Parkers only suggests a 10kg difference between the Z4MR and Z4MC (BMW suggest 15kg), but I think they're using the weight of a Flimper-spec 2.0 roadster for the 3.0 Coupe...although Parkers also seem to think a 2.0 is only 1220kg when the BMW brochure suggests it's 100kg heavier

However, the BMW/Toyota brochures say. Remember that BMW quotes unladen weights (which excludes fuel + driver) whereas Toyota quote kerb weight (which includes 50L/35kg of fuel & 75kg driver):

• 3108lbs (1413kg) for 3.0si Coupe manual
• 3156lbs (1435kg) for 3.0si Coupe auto
• 2816lbs (1280kg) for GR Yaris (kerb - Toyota data with fuel + driver)
• 2574lbs (1170kg) for GR Yaris (unladen - minus fuel + driver, like BMW data)
• 3230lbs (1468kg) for Z4MC
• 3197lbs (1453kg) for Z4MR

...which would make the PtWs:

• 184.7bhp/ton (3.0si manual)
• 181.9bhp/ton (3.0si auto)
• 200.8bhp/ton (GR Yaris - kerb)
• 219.7bhp/ton (GR Yaris - unladen)
• 230.2bhp/ton (Z4MC)
• 232.6bhp/ton (Z4MR)

[flimper]

Love that attention to detail mmm-five

[mmm-five]

Love that attention to detail mmm-five

It's all academic though, as it's only as fast as the nutter behind the wheel...after all a 115bhp diesel Alfa can keep up with Z4Ms, even with its puny 90bhp/ton

[Flyingfifer]

I took it from the very first result that popped up when I googled! lol
Clicky
It gives the weight as 2855lbs (1295kg) stange that there is a 25kg difference?
Thats what gave the PtW of 204.63

[brillomaster]

there are multiple measures for a car weight, and no industry standard...

you've got dry weight - no fuel, no oil, no coolant, no screenwash
you got slightly wetter weight - no fuel, but ready to go with oil and coolant and screenwash (+10-20kgs)
then theres that weight, plus either half a tank of fuel, or a full tank of fuel (+30-70kgs)

a lot of the lardier car manufacturers often quote dry weight, no fluids. i think porsche are a relative exception in that they quote wet weight, with half a tank of fuel or something.

theres also the weight of optional extras, which may or may not be included.

[Flyingfifer]

there are multiple measures for a car weight, and no industry standard...

you've got dry weight - no fuel, no oil, no coolant, no screenwash
you got slightly wetter weight - no fuel, but ready to go with oil and coolant and screenwash (+10-20kgs)
then theres that weight, plus either half a tank of fuel, or a full tank of fuel (+30-70kgs)

a lot of the lardier car manufacturers often quote dry weight, no fluids. i think porsche are a relative exception in that they quote wet weight, with half a tank of fuel or something.

theres also the weight of optional extras, which may or may not be included.

Yeah its daft, I would argue that the best way to do it is
Car weight full of oil and coolant (basically ready to run)
An arbitrary amount of fuel, say 20kg
That's your weight, should be an industry standard... says me

[Flyingfifer]

and no industry standard...

Although....

Kerb weight is the weight of a car with all fluids (coolant, engine oil, brake fluid) plus a full tank of fuel and a driver weighing 75kg. It's measured when new cars are put forward for UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission for Europe) type approval by their respective manufacturers

[BTZ461]

I just don't see the value in a 35 grand yaris.

Interesting that they sell in Japan for equivalent of £27k , obviously more palatable than £35k

Just 50 units including four demo units on release for New Zealand. One spec, full, with all options. RRP is $53000NZ.(About 26GBP). All sold, now a wait list.

[mr wilks]

I just don't see the value in a 35 grand yaris.

One spec only in New Zealand, fully specification with RRP at 53000NZ dollars. 50 units including 4 demo cars imported, all sold.

Interesting that they sell in Japan for equivalent of £27k , obviously more palatable than £35k

So in NZ it roughly equates to a few coins under £28k ?
Obviously more "acceptable" to many as you say they are all sold but you could halve it & it still wouldn't interest me the only Jap car that would lure me is the GT-R

[BTZ461]

Pretty good "bang for your buck" down under. Quirky looking thing, and being Toyota, the biggest selling and most loved brand in NZ unlikely to depreciate as fast as others.
Personally have only ever owned one Japanese car, a Mazda 2.0 wagon, bought in 2000, may have even been 1999, almost new. Oddly enough still have it. Never given any bother serviced once yearly. My chancellor of the exchequer loves it.