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Multiple Questions - Technique and process
- yyz_bobby
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Multiple Questions - Technique and process
Hi all
with the amount of free time I decided to learn more on the detailing side.
I have completed two detailing sessions over 3 months.
I bought a Tacklife DA from amazon and then trialled and error'ed some products.
Product List in order of me using them:
(1) Autoglym polar blast used with snow lance
- left to sit for 10 minutes, usually another layer if i got some left in the lance container
(2) Autoglym shampoo
- two bucket method with a noodle mitt thing
(3) G3 Clay mitt with g3 detailing spray
- the first time i used it I did this after drying the car but second time did it while car was still wet and using the detailing spray
NOW on to the finishing which is where I have real confusion
(4) Meguiars ultimate compound
- i only bought this to remove by hand some renova black dye splash from paint without causing damage
- not really considering using this as I heard is abrasive to the clear coat. Unless you guys can give some reason why I should use it.
(5) Autoglym ultra deep shine polish
- i use this with the wool pad that came with the polisher, I did start by using the orange pad but the DA seemed to have a mind of its own and jump about. So switched to the wool pad.
(6) Turtle Wax Ice Seal n Shine
- I thought the wax would be a DA thing so started using this by over spraying on panels and the orange DA pad but again the DA did not seem to sit so i went by hand.
NOW (6) worked well but did not seem to last after 2 weeks. The beading was still there but just not as apparent. After two weeks it had rained some and I went ahead and decided to wash the car again.
This time I repeated (1), (2) but this time followed by:
(7) Poorboys blackhole glaze
Result was great but after reading some more on this thread it was confirmed Poorboys is just for show and not longevity.
I have since bought (8) Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Wax
BUT I am wondering what should be done before this apart from (1) and (2) and with the aim being to reduce as much of the swirls and fine scratches but also applying a sealant that lasts longer than one month?
Before using (8) should I again apply polish?
For the DA tool what pads are best for polishing? (Since been advised wax should be done by hand)
Any advice appreciated. Hoping after this and next weeks rain I get a full day to re-visit the detailing methods.
Thanks
Bobby
with the amount of free time I decided to learn more on the detailing side.
I have completed two detailing sessions over 3 months.
I bought a Tacklife DA from amazon and then trialled and error'ed some products.
Product List in order of me using them:
(1) Autoglym polar blast used with snow lance
- left to sit for 10 minutes, usually another layer if i got some left in the lance container
(2) Autoglym shampoo
- two bucket method with a noodle mitt thing
(3) G3 Clay mitt with g3 detailing spray
- the first time i used it I did this after drying the car but second time did it while car was still wet and using the detailing spray
NOW on to the finishing which is where I have real confusion
(4) Meguiars ultimate compound
- i only bought this to remove by hand some renova black dye splash from paint without causing damage
- not really considering using this as I heard is abrasive to the clear coat. Unless you guys can give some reason why I should use it.
(5) Autoglym ultra deep shine polish
- i use this with the wool pad that came with the polisher, I did start by using the orange pad but the DA seemed to have a mind of its own and jump about. So switched to the wool pad.
(6) Turtle Wax Ice Seal n Shine
- I thought the wax would be a DA thing so started using this by over spraying on panels and the orange DA pad but again the DA did not seem to sit so i went by hand.
NOW (6) worked well but did not seem to last after 2 weeks. The beading was still there but just not as apparent. After two weeks it had rained some and I went ahead and decided to wash the car again.
This time I repeated (1), (2) but this time followed by:
(7) Poorboys blackhole glaze
Result was great but after reading some more on this thread it was confirmed Poorboys is just for show and not longevity.
I have since bought (8) Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Wax
BUT I am wondering what should be done before this apart from (1) and (2) and with the aim being to reduce as much of the swirls and fine scratches but also applying a sealant that lasts longer than one month?
Before using (8) should I again apply polish?
For the DA tool what pads are best for polishing? (Since been advised wax should be done by hand)
Any advice appreciated. Hoping after this and next weeks rain I get a full day to re-visit the detailing methods.
Thanks
Bobby
- yyz_bobby
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Forgot to add alloys treatment.
I use EZ Iron Reign as advised and EZ Alloy Sealant.
Can Meguairs Hybrid Ceramix Wax be used as additional coating for alloys at all?
I use EZ Iron Reign as advised and EZ Alloy Sealant.
Can Meguairs Hybrid Ceramix Wax be used as additional coating for alloys at all?
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Gosh, a real mish-mash of products there! You need to go back to basics. Really all you need to do is:
Full clean using shampoo / foam etc
Clay if necessary (I’d suggest not if already done recently as it always marrs the paintwork in my experience)
Fully dry vehicle.
Apply megs ult compound on an orange hex logic foam pad. No more than 3 pea size blobs. Dab onto paintwork and spread on lowest speed.
Ramp up speed to 75% and apply firm pressure (watch videos on youtube). Do small sections at a time and wipe off residue with quality soft microfibre.
The whole car should take you 5-7hrs min. Your swirl marks should now be gone.
At this point put your DA away.
Apply poorboys black hole and buff off by hand.
Apply megs hybrid ceramic wax and buff off by hand.
Do your alloys as you stated. Don’t forget the tyre dressing.
Sit back and admire your handywork.
Full clean using shampoo / foam etc
Clay if necessary (I’d suggest not if already done recently as it always marrs the paintwork in my experience)
Fully dry vehicle.
Apply megs ult compound on an orange hex logic foam pad. No more than 3 pea size blobs. Dab onto paintwork and spread on lowest speed.
Ramp up speed to 75% and apply firm pressure (watch videos on youtube). Do small sections at a time and wipe off residue with quality soft microfibre.
The whole car should take you 5-7hrs min. Your swirl marks should now be gone.
At this point put your DA away.
Apply poorboys black hole and buff off by hand.
Apply megs hybrid ceramic wax and buff off by hand.
Do your alloys as you stated. Don’t forget the tyre dressing.
Sit back and admire your handywork.
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Hi yyz_bobby, you'll get loads of info and tips from 'foresnsic detailing' youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4lRo ... g/featured
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4lRo ... g/featured
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ph001 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:33 pm Gosh, a real mish-mash of products there! You need to go back to basics. Really all you need to do is:
Full clean using shampoo / foam etc
Clay if necessary (I’d suggest not if already done recently as it always marrs the paintwork in my experience)
Fully dry vehicle.
Apply megs ult compound on an orange hex logic foam pad. No more than 3 pea size blobs. Dab onto paintwork and spread on lowest speed.
Ramp up speed to 75% and apply firm pressure (watch videos on youtube). Do small sections at a time and wipe off residue with quality soft microfibre.
The whole car should take you 5-7hrs min. Your swirl marks should now be gone.
At this point put your DA away.
Apply poorboys black hole and buff off by hand.
Apply megs hybrid ceramic wax and buff off by hand.
Do your alloys as you stated. Don’t forget the tyre dressing.
Sit back and admire your handywork.
top advice - will save it now for a dry day, possibly tomorrow.
Why the compound over the polish?
Does the pad have to be a hex foam pad? Mine is just a flat/no pattern version.
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cheers mate will take a peakSofTop wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:46 am Hi yyz_bobby, you'll get loads of info and tips from 'foresnsic detailing' youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4lRo ... g/featured
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sorry another questionph001 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:33 pm Gosh, a real mish-mash of products there! You need to go back to basics. Really all you need to do is:
Full clean using shampoo / foam etc
Clay if necessary (I’d suggest not if already done recently as it always marrs the paintwork in my experience)
Fully dry vehicle.
Apply megs ult compound on an orange hex logic foam pad. No more than 3 pea size blobs. Dab onto paintwork and spread on lowest speed.
Ramp up speed to 75% and apply firm pressure (watch videos on youtube). Do small sections at a time and wipe off residue with quality soft microfibre.
The whole car should take you 5-7hrs min. Your swirl marks should now be gone.
At this point put your DA away.
Apply poorboys black hole and buff off by hand.
Apply megs hybrid ceramic wax and buff off by hand.
Do your alloys as you stated. Don’t forget the tyre dressing.
Sit back and admire your handywork.
looking at the youtubes of the ceramic wax it does not seem to have as good hydrophobic properties as the turtle wax
could these two be layered on top of each other at all or is that a stupid idea?
Was also thinking to get bilt haber double speed wax as its super hydrophobic as a layer on top of the ceramic wax or under. not sure what works
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Hi Bobby,
-If you want to remove the swirls from your paintwork, something mildly abrasive like the megs compound will be required.
Unfortunately there is no way of actually removing scratches and swirls without removing some of the clear coat.
-Finishing off with a polish will give you a deeper gloss. This process is removing an even thiner layer of clear coat.
-As ph001 pointed out; only clay if necessary, it WILL inflict minor damage to the clear coat that will then need to be either polished or compounded out depending on the severity. It is a process that should only really be repeated once a year at the most, longer if possible.
-The megs ceramic wax is probably the product (that you have) that will be providing the most protection for your paint. I would apply this first after your paint correction stages. After that layer has cured you could layer a glaze or traditional wax on top to enhance that deep shine and prolong the protection of the ceramic wax.
I personally use megs M21 synthetic sealant and it seems to provide a good, long lasting protection. I have heard that the ceramic wax essentially performs very similarly to the M21 but is a little more fussy about how it is applied. Both good products if used correctly.
^ These are just my thoughts. I am only a weekend amateur when it comes to detailing so please don't take my words as gospel!
I am sure you will find a process that works well for you. The results can be very satisfying.
Best of luck and don't forget to post pics when the machine is all shiny!
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Thanks for the advice, although I am still getting conflicting opinions on whether to apply a gloss/wax before or after the ceramic wax.Jfgoldfish wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:24 pm Unfortunately there is no way of actually removing scratches and swirls without removing some of the clear coat.
-Finishing off with a polish will give you a deeper gloss. This process is removing an even thiner layer of clear coat.
-As ph001 pointed out; only clay if necessary, it WILL inflict minor damage to the clear coat that will then need to be either polished or compounded out depending on the severity. It is a process that should only really be repeated once a year at the most, longer if possible.
-The megs ceramic wax is probably the product (that you have) that will be providing the most protection for your paint. I would apply this first after your paint correction stages. After that layer has cured you could layer a glaze or traditional wax on top to enhance that deep shine and prolong the protection of the ceramic wax.
I personally use megs M21 synthetic sealant and it seems to provide a good, long lasting protection. I have heard that the ceramic wax essentially performs very similarly to the M21 but is a little more fussy about how it is applied. Both good products if used correctly.
I already had some ultimate compound so I will use that knowing its abrasive but hopefully its a once in a blue moon application and long as i keep the sealant topped up it will protect more in future.
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i did watch a youtube on the ceramic wax product and asked the process. this was what they said.
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My personal opinion is that if you put a glaze down before your sealant, the sealant might not stick as well to the paint. I have always put the product with the most longevity down first and then followed up with glaze or wax for appearance.
When it comes to detailing you will get so many conflicting answers. A bit of trail and error should find you the best method.
That sounds like a good plan. Shouldn't need to repeat this step if you are careful with your washing.
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I know the whole Megs product line is designed to work well together as a detailing ecosystem, its one of their big selling points AFAIK.
If you were putting ceramic wax over the top of one of their products I would be inclined to say it would work just fine.
It might work well over the poorboys or turtle wax but it also might wash away faster. You might have to try both ways to really understand what will deliver the best protection and appearance.
When it comes to the final protection, experimenting with a few different products is a good idea. You will find one (or a combination) that you like.
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If you look at the instructions on your black hole bottle it will tell you to apply it before waxes and sealants. I would go:
Ultimate Compound (DA) > black hole (hand) > ceramic wax (Hand)
I think applying the other products will have limited return. You can certainly apply more than one coat of the bh and ceramic wax if the mood takes you.
Ultimate Compound (DA) > black hole (hand) > ceramic wax (Hand)
I think applying the other products will have limited return. You can certainly apply more than one coat of the bh and ceramic wax if the mood takes you.