North Wales Run, Sunday 5th April 2020 - 25 CARS MAX, SO GET IN QUICK !

[idej_z4]

Will do...thanks.

Seriously a forum organised run & a forum member ( longstanding who's attended many many events ) has to wait to see if there are spare places because he no longer has a Z

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

[AlienZed]

Seriously a forum organised run & a forum member ( longstanding who's attended many many events ) has to wait to see if there are spare places because he no longer has a Z

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

Totally agree with idej_z4.
My sentiments too.

[earthdweller]

Without getting political I think both Jimbo and Patriot were well judged in their comments

Jim accepts the run is numbers limited and that he doesn’t have a Zed, and would like to come along if numbers permit and Patriot has accepted that and agreed

I do feel it should be left at that

[z4pilot]

Seriously a forum organised run & a forum member ( longstanding who's attended many many events ) has to wait to see if there are spare places because he no longer has a Z

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

Don't want to prolong the debate as it's been put to bed, but in respect of your point Dan, it depends whether you think moderators are there only to enforce rules or whether they are also guardians of forum ethos...

[ibasniper]

I'm in if there's space.. Gary & Nikki - Black E85

[idej_z4]

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

Don't want to prolong the debate as it's been put to bed, but in respect of your point Dan, it depends whether you think moderators are there only to enforce rules or whether they are also guardians of forum ethos...

Forum ethos being an unwritten word that lives in peoples heads and therefore is different to everyone so in reality isn't a real thing...tough thing to guard for sure!

I get where you're coming from though Sean, just on a public board that is going to generate a lot of traffic due to the success of previous events I'm probably just questioning whether it is the platform to be leaving an opinion with such a negative connotation. Maybe a DM might have been a better option.

In true Corbyn Brexit style I'll just sit on the fence and pretend I don't have an opinion even though my actions probably make it 100% transparent what I think of the whole situ.

[srhutch]

Seriously a forum organised run & a forum member ( longstanding who's attended many many events ) has to wait to see if there are spare places because he no longer has a Z

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

Just because I am a mod it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. Jim has been on the forum for 10 years and just because he doesn't have a Z4 anymore shouldn't mean he is excluded. If that was the case Marlon and Wondermike wouldn't be moderators as they no longer own Z4's. The forum is about community also and Jim has made many friends over the 10 years and this would be an opportunity to see them again. The unwritten rule generally is that anybody attending with a non Z4 normally goes at the back.

As I said that's just my view, which I'm entitled to, otherwise if I am here just as a mod then it will be goodbye.

[earthdweller]

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

Just because I am a mod it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. Jim has been on the forum for 10 years and just because he doesn't have a Z4 anymore shouldn't mean he is excluded. If that was the case Marlon and Wondermike wouldn't be moderators as they no longer own Z4's. The forum is about community also and Jim has made many friends over the 10 years and this would be an opportunity to see them again. The unwritten rule generally is that anybody attending with a non Z4 normally goes at the back.

As I said that's just my view, which I'm entitled to, otherwise if I am here just as a mod then it will be goodbye.

You raise some interesting points, worthy of a thread of their own rather than one discussing a particular run

In essence you raise the whole point of purpose of the forum

What and who is it for ? And who should or shouldn’t attend and partake in Z4 runs?

What differentiates the Z4 forum from other motoring forums ?

How does a Zed meet differ from a cars and coffee meet or PistonHeads Sunday Service ?

If there are a limited number of spaces on a run and all are taken up by people who do not own Z4’s excluding people who do, is it still a Z4 run ?

Maybe as mods it is question you should ask and perhaps put a limit on the number of non Zeds attending ?

I do think that this thread should just be about the North Wales Run and maybe those that run the forum should make a decision about what vehicles are eligible elsewhere

Finally .. thanks Si for organising and putting a lot of hard work into this

(I’ve met Jim a number of times and he’s a top bloke .. I’m not having a dig at him at all )

[jimbo1958]

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

Just because I am a mod it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. Jim has been on the forum for 10 years and just because he doesn't have a Z4 anymore shouldn't mean he is excluded. If that was the case Marlon and Wondermike wouldn't be moderators as they no longer own Z4's. The forum is about community also and Jim has made many friends over the 10 years and this would be an opportunity to see them again. The unwritten rule generally is that anybody attending with a non Z4 normally goes at the back.

As I said that's just my view, which I'm entitled to, otherwise if I am here just as a mod then it will be goodbye.

Thanks for your input Steve (srhutch) and Andy (mr wilks).
Certainly wasn't my intention to stir up a hornets nest.
I was hoping to try and attend a few more Forum meets this year as well as the "National" that I've attended for the past 10 years. In that 10 years, I can't remember one year where there were no non Zeds but as Steve stated always at the back. This was the first year for me in the Jag and also there was Metal Licker(Boxster) and GJC72(M240i) and we happily drove at the back.

Back to this event and I fully appreciate there's limited numbers. Although I'll still register an interest to attend, I'm getting the feeling that perhaps I shouldn't even if there's available space.

I'm sure it'll be a great weekend though for all Zed owners that attend. Cheers.

[patriot66]

I'm in if there's space.. Gary & Nikki - Black E85

Hi Gary. Welcome along. I'll add you to the list and look forward to meeting you then

[silverzed]

hi , put me on please Si !!!
Thank you

[Vegas]

Hi Si.

Can you add me please buddy.

Thanks,

Steve

[craig3.2]

Have to agree with this, not what the forum is about.

As a moderator I would have thought an 'opinion' is not really what you should be offering. Whatever anyone thinks about it yours surely should be the last voice offering an opinion unless someone has broken a rule?

Just because I am a mod it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. Jim has been on the forum for 10 years and just because he doesn't have a Z4 anymore shouldn't mean he is excluded. If that was the case Marlon and Wondermike wouldn't be moderators as they no longer own Z4's. The forum is about community also and Jim has made many friends over the 10 years and this would be an opportunity to see them again. The unwritten rule generally is that anybody attending with a non Z4 normally goes at the back.

As I said that's just my view, which I'm entitled to, otherwise if I am here just as a mod then it will be goodbye.

I agree,Steve, moderators should be allowed to air their opinion like the rest of us.
I read this early in the thread,and thought it was a shame Jim was being excluded for not having a z any more,given he had two over 9 years or more,and had the pleasure of knowing him for many years,was sad to see this,as MrWilks had said,he has been on here for years and shouldn't be excluded now from meets.
Though,on the flip side, I have known Simon,etc for years too,and know that he would only be limiting numbers due to logistics if Lunch stops and the Drive itself possibly,as well.
I know myself and others have had this debate the first time we had non z ds at a National meet,on the 3rd one I think? Caused no end of debate,lol.
Also re the Moderators not having zeds and still being Mods. Catch 22 again,as Phil/cj10jeeoer left his role as a mod due to buying a Jag,after years of z ownership.
Part of me thinks a z4 forum should be ran by those with z4s,but if all the Mods who have moved into other cars stopped being Mods,you would continually need to get new replacement mods in, which isn't always easy.

Re the meets/drives,it shouldn't be upto the Moderators to decide who is and isn't allowed on Forum runs as some of them don't even regularly attend meets,while others do,plus it should be left to those who are organising the meet to set their rules in this regard.

[Marlon]

Since I’ve been mentioned (directly and indirectly), I’ll add my two-pence worth. I debated whether to continue as a Mod after I sold my Zed – indeed I asked the other Mods and the boss whether I should step down. They unanimously agreed that if I wished to continue there was no reason to step down and therefore, I’m still here and will stick around until such a time that I feel I’m not as active as I should be (or until that's pointed out to me).
The forum is made up of current Zed owners, previous owners and potential future owners, and the moderators fall into these categories too. This community is alive and kicking because of the passion of its members and that includes the moderators who I would suggest are all Zed enthusiasts.
I will always have a place in my heart for the Z4 regardless of my car ownership, and this fondness extends to this wonderful forum and its members; after all its people not cars that create a community.

[earthdweller]

The unwritten rule generally is that anybody attending with a non Z4 normally goes at the back

Lots

My reading of it is that both Jim and Si were being very grown up about and it. I think it should be left to them to sort it out

As I understand it NO ONE is saying Jim can’t go

I agree entirely with the unwritten rule and it makes perfect sense

The issue about THIS run as apposed to others or meets is

1. It is likely to be very very popular

2. Logistics have limited the numbers

The only unresolved question is whether who has priority to go on a run is decided by how long you have been a member ( regardless of whether you have a Zed or how long ago you sold it ) or whether you own a Zed