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Post by john-e89 » Wed May 15, 2024 9:25 pm

New caliper, i’d suggest that’s where the air is then bigwinn, if you do rubber mallet it the air is usually at the top of the caliper in the ‘corners’ so to speak. Hope you get it shifted.
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Post by enuff_zed » Wed May 15, 2024 9:28 pm

john-e89 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:25 pm New caliper, i’d suggest that’s where the air is then bigwinn, if you do rubber mallet it the air is usually at the top of the caliper in the ‘corners’ so to speak. Hope you get it shifted.
Just a thought. You could hang the calliper with the pads out and use a wind back tool to push the piston back in. That may help shift the air?
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Post by bigwinn » Wed May 15, 2024 9:29 pm

Cheers gents

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Post by bigwinn » Wed May 15, 2024 9:29 pm

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Post by john-e89 » Wed May 15, 2024 9:34 pm

enuff_zed wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:28 pm
john-e89 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:25 pm New caliper, i’d suggest that’s where the air is then bigwinn, if you do rubber mallet it the air is usually at the top of the caliper in the ‘corners’ so to speak. Hope you get it shifted.
Just a thought. You could hang the calliper with the pads out and use a wind back tool to push the piston back in. That may help shift the air?
Absolutely enuff, just have to watch the fluid doesn’t get pushed out of the filler reservoir, plus you’d need to remove the caliper again as you know, not a huge job obvs. Worth the mallet first imho purely as it’s the easiest way, as I’ve done it myself and had others do it with success, but your suggestion is spot on.
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Post by bigwinn » Sun May 19, 2024 2:46 pm

Had some time on this today.

Issue still persists-

Bled (furiously I may add) several times and ABS cleared on inpa

Changed the master cylinder back to the original

Tapped and banged all lines

To be fair there was some residual air in the pipes

However of note- and checked against the coupe and Steve’s m54 z4- there is a hiss sound when pressing the pedal down

I am thinking now that it may be the vacuum servo at fault.

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Post by bigwinn » Sun May 26, 2024 10:48 am

Still trying to get to 100% with this.

It’s better but not right still.

What’s done:

As above

New fluid
New flexis
New vacuum booster
New master cylinder

I’m still getting softness at the start, which firms up with pedal pumping. If you then leave it 5-10 secs the softness returns

On other cars the pump action makes the pedal hard and it stays hard

The video shows the noises that are heard-

The next step I think is to change the dsc unit… I have one in the shed

Are they all interchangeable (this one is a pre facelift in the spare pile)

Any other ideas?

There are 100% no fluid leaks

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Post by raymond.harper » Sun May 26, 2024 11:49 am

I have heard that if you remove a caliper, lift it, turn it so that the bleed screw is on the top, block the piston with a caliper retraction tool, it will help get the trapped air out.

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Post by raymond.harper » Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:41 pm

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Post by bigwinn » Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:15 pm

Just saw that

I’m going to give it a go
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Post by Rockhopper » Sun Jun 02, 2024 10:21 am

Do you get the hiss sound with the engine running? With the engine off you may well get it as the residual vacuum in the servo is released - the pedal will also go harder at the same time.

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