An F-Type ...?

[Silverstar]

except this time they will be Chinese EV's.

We better hope not, they are ticking time bombs!

[Zed Baron]

We better hope not, they are ticking time bombs!

I saw a documentary where they were dealing with an EV that had caught fire in Germany... the only way to deal with it was to drop the whole car into shipping container full of water and leave it there! It kept reigniting! From WhatCar/June this year - 'Several electric car manufacturers advise that the fire should be left to burn out by itself, while others such as Tesla have noted in their emergency response guides that submerging the EV in water to cool down the battery is the best way to tackle the fire. However, to do so, this requires large amounts of water'

[deltasierra]

Statistically 10 times more ICE vehicles catch fire than EVs but they don’t make the news

[Mr Tidy]

But I expect there are more than 10 times as many ICE cars around as EVs!

[ronk]

If my Zed road tax hits £500, i will stop paying it, happy to go to prison.
Be kept warm, fed, first in queue hospital, have company, of sorts

remember to SORN your car first

And - if you drop your soap in the showers, leave it where it falls!

[Silverstar]

The problem isn't how many ICE cars vs EVs that catch fire the problem is how difficult it is to put out an EV fire. An ICE car can be put out literally in a minute or two, I know I have witnessed it first hand whereas an EV can burn for hours and even reignite days later. If you park your EV next to your house or in the garage good luck if there is a fire that your house survives, just look at the two shipping containers burnt out thanks to EVs.

So if an EV catches fire how are they going to bring a tank and so much water to where the EV is in order to dump it in there. The same goes if you have accident and even the smallest prang can cause damage to the battery casing writing the car off and when it goes to the recyclers they have to keep the EVs 15m apart (in case they catch fire). More EVs will be written off than if they were ICE cars meaning more new EVs needing to be produced which means more emmisions, let's not forget the horrid business of lithium and cobalt mining. In time to come you will see that they are not much more green than ICE cars, tailpipe emissions isn't the be all end all.

With regards to the Chinese EVs and why I say they are ticking timebombs, whilst it can be argued that there are more ICE fires just look what's happening in China with all of their cheap nasty EVs, so many are just going up in flames whether parked or charging and if in an accident they don't hold up in many cases becoming a death trap not to mention on top of that the Chinese governments connection to those companies and their ability to use those cars to gather intelligence, Hauwei anyone? The western world has got to be nuts to even consider letting these pieces of crap in.

Sadly the stupid people in governments that we have in most of the western world can't see the wood for the trees or they have a hidden agenda and are targetting cars as an easy soft option when they should be looking eslewhere if they were really so concerned about the environment.

Sorry rant over!

[True-Blue]

1 The next (British) General Election will be in 2025.
2 Labour will probably win.
3 If they do, their many Eco Warriors will force an 'electric agenda'.
4 To achieve this, their first step will be very large increases in fuel & road taxes.
5 This will be matched with incentives to go electric.
6 Very quickly, cars like the Z4 will be (a) very expensive to drive and (b) have very low market value.
7 So, ... well, actually, I don't know.

It won't happen that quick, even if the lefties get control.

"It won't happen ..." - Which number above won't happen?

I'll bet you London to a brick that #4, for example, will happen by 2027 and that most of us will be driving our petrol vehicles less because of it.

The ‘working class’ still need transport, want the same personal freedom as everyone else, and can’t afford to blow £50k on a battery powered car…

I doubt Labour will want to actively encourage more ‘cost of living strikes’ by removing the option of personal transport by pricing it out of the reach of their hard core voters - this isn’t a political statement, just an observation

[Pondrew]

The ‘working class’ still need transport, want the same personal freedom as everyone else, and can’t afford to blow £50k on a battery powered car…

I doubt Labour will want to actively encourage more ‘cost of living strikes’ by removing the option of personal transport by pricing it out of the reach of their hard core voters - this isn’t a political statement, just an observation

Agreed!

The post from Paul above (PVR) and his 4.4 litre twin turbo V8 X5 at £180 road tax says it all to me. The UK Government (whatever colour their rosettes) couldn't give a toss about the environment, just about money, the economy, keeping big business happy, keeping themselves popular for 5 years, keeping the media off their backs, money and money!
Oh and money!

[Busterboo]

The ‘working class’ still need transport, want the same personal freedom as everyone else, and can’t afford to blow £50k on a battery powered car…

I doubt Labour will want to actively encourage more ‘cost of living strikes’ by removing the option of personal transport by pricing it out of the reach of their hard core voters ...

The City Council of The People's Socialist Paradise of Leicester adopted the 'Cars are bad, buses and bikes are good' policy 25 years ago, which has ruined the city centre for everyone.

All the while, the 'Vote for a pig with a red rosette' electorate has continued to support its brave leaders.

[jenniferlouise]

The problem isn't how many ICE cars vs EVs that catch fire the problem is how difficult it is to put out an EV fire. An ICE car can be put out literally in a minute or two, I know I have witnessed it first hand whereas an EV can burn for hours and even reignite days later. If you park your EV next to your house or in the garage good luck if there is a fire that your house survives, just look at the two shipping containers burnt out thanks to EVs.

As a retired firefighter I can back that statement up. It used to be LPG that gave you ‘problems’ but EV is another level. Trials are underway to do exactly as you say; take a dam / container to scene and place the car in it! You still have the problem of getting close enough to put the fire out… some FRS have invested in ‘scorpion’ style vehicles that effectively lance the fire (not just EV) from a safe distance (and place) remotely.

Apologies as this is not helping the decision on whether to buy an F-Type tho I always thought the coupe looked terrific from certain angles. And a bit overweight from others. It’s a bit boring inside (sorry to owners out there) and the infotainment is awful (I owned an Evoque) but a 3.0S is still a good buy.

V8 isn’t everything (eg the 2.3 unit in the Mustang makes over 300bhp but few buy it) and the somewhat flawed beauty of the Alfa 4C shows that a small 4 pot can be exciting (I’d go so far as saying the longevity of Fiat’s turbo’d 1.4 in the Abarth is testimony too) but I guess you need to know what you want the car to do. My friend bought a caterham style kit before lockdown and now drives a tarmac-lifting (sorry bikers and pothole spotters, no offence meant) cart using an MX-5 power plant, modified obvs, which is almost uncatchable.

Carry a fire extinguisher if you want any chance of avoiding a total insurance write off.

[jenniferlouise]

I feel I should apologise again… nothing at all to do with V8 Jags. But I was watching this earlier, so seemed timely

https://youtu.be/LOCSHMOf73Q?si=xDjUNvJCBDn3ybdJ

And this is worth watching if only for the sneaky peak of a DeLorean

https://youtu.be/NWvI1daNils?si=dWDTlF4b10s_iHwF

Last one… again it’s Australia media but about a UK design concept… the use of ultra high pressure lances effectively punctures into the machine to reach the fire. These systems have been developed for a range of use including building fires and containers / shipping

https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/firefig ... car-parks/

Now, what were we talking about…

[flybobbie]

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HASICI......might be if sat in ev catching fire!

[Ole gits rule]

If I was looking at electric the new MG Cyberster looks interesting