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Post by jimmybell » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:41 am

Beedub wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:27 am
jimmybell wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:03 pm
Beedub wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:46 pm F type is a great option but i still feel its abit too civilised, the z4m has that RAW factor, for ME, the only car that i would swap it for currently is the Boxster Spyder or GT4, but its just to much to spend to move up, so so much.
The car i got as a replacement i was concerned wouldn't have that raw feel you refer to (as that's specifically what i'm looking for - and i've even heard the GT4 doesn't have as it's too polished) - i have now tested one, needless to say it does, infact i'd say its more raw than the zed, and thus i've put a deposit down :p

Lots of Z4 M owners don't necessarily want that rawness though - the Z4 also offers relative comfort when not driven above 4k. Depends on how you use it, and why you use it - for me, i was only really interested in the experience between 4-8kpm :D
Well done man... Very well done.. for me the only proper upgrade imo, I wish you could experience my particular car, it feels raw in every sense of the word , very difficult to describe but very different from the stock z4m, and because its so fresh and few miles, feels really tied together. Very jealous of the gt4 and a very big investment!! well done!!
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Haha sorry - perhaps the way i wrote that confused, it's not a GT4. For me the GT4 is too clinical, poised and a bit too polished.
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Post by Beedub » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:54 am

As much as i love the F type.... i just for some reason cant accept it as a directcompetitor i mean, the figures themselves... thats a decade worth of development?? just no where near as special as it could have been, imo and this may well be biased but i think the ownership prospect of the z4m is more special, the cars smaller, its just a proper sports car, that german TVR tag it gets its rightly so , the F-type is much more cruiser segment BUT.... i bet with some choice mods to really bring out their attitude its great fun.

Again, one could strap a blower on a z4m and blow the doors off the f-type v6 and Still buy another car with the money left over from the upgrade costs.... infact, the V8 one probably would get shown a clean pair of heals judging by the power to weight ratio, and thats a hole new price point.

But i get what you mean in terms of the quality and fit /finish / tech etc etc


But i Love where mods can take things now days, and imo this is the way to go as things just get more and more expensive, don't get me wrong its still an expensive route but much cheaper than upgrade costs.

check out this bad ass m135i.... i mean... WOW and the owner ... i take my hat off.

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Post by mmm-five » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:45 am

If my normal pattern continues, I'll go to something big & fast...like an F10 M5.

Then 6-8 years later I'll get fed up of it's running costs and go for something smaller again...like the current gen Z3/4/5M or M2.

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Post by TomK » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:55 am

cj10jeeper wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:13 pm
original guvnor wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:41 pm The F Type S is slower than a Z4M according to the full Autocar road test. 300kg of extra lard without much extra power see to that.
Jaguar 380hp 340 torque 0-60 4.8 top 171 weight 1594kg
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Not quite sure where you've got those figures from but there is not one mention I can find of an F Type weighing less than 1700kg and that is the reason I would never ever consider one as a sports car. Wiki quotes 1745kg for the S!
You also seem to have chosen some rather mean Z4 stats. Yes there is a limiter at 155, I've had it removed and have seen well north of 170, and a 5.0 0-60 is very pessimistic.
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Post by original guvnor » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:02 am

So the Jag F-Type V6S Coupe tested by Autocar June 2014 (15c dry conditions). All tests are done two-up with full fuel tanks. The figures in brackets are Autocar's road test of a Z4MC done in August 2006 with damp conditions in places and 20c. Not much in it at lower speeds but the Z4M is clearly the quicker car as speeds pass the legal limit and is also the quicker overtaking car as well in all but one of the 20mph increments.

0-30 2.1 (2.1)
0-60 4.9 (5.1)
0-100 12.1 (11.9)
0-130 22.3 (20.0)
0-140 27.6 (25.2)

Fastest in-gear times

30-50 1.9 (1.9)
40-60 2.5 (2.0)
50-70 2.6 (2.7)
60-80 3.3 (two-point eight)
70-90 3.6 (3.0)
80-100 5.1 (3.5)
90-110 5.7 (4.4)
100-120 7.1 (4.9)

I'm not saying one is better than the other. That's personal choice but it is incorrect to say a V6S is quicker. If anything the opposite is true. Not bad for a 8 year older car which costs getting on for half as much as the Jag and it's also got a much nice engine too! Maybe the F-Type Roadster would narrow the gap because it's lighter but the Z4MR is also slightly quicker than Z4MC too.

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Post by Beedub » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:57 am

the lightest i can find is 1650Kg which is seriously heavy.
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Post by JAD » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:34 am

Well having spent last weekend at CerbFest17 I am now set on getting a TVR. I'll buy as wisely as possible (chassis refurb and some engine receipts), plus warranty from a known trader and of course the AA/RAC membership!!

The pure event of driving a 4+litre car, the noise, the looks, it just ticks boxes for what I need. It doesn't have to be reliable or easy to drive. Sure I might miss the ease of the Zed's roof and it may well break down, but it can stay on the drive way with no issues while we use the Golf for 90% of journeys.

Cerbs look incredible but I want the drop top of the Chimaera so will be going down this route.

Watch this space!

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Post by RedUn » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:07 pm

original guvnor wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:02 am So the Jag F-Type V6S Coupe tested by Autocar June 2014 (15c dry conditions). All tests are done two-up with full fuel tanks. The figures in brackets are Autocar's road test of a Z4MC done in August 2006 with damp conditions in places and 20c. Not much in it at lower speeds but the Z4M is clearly the quicker car as speeds pass the legal limit and is also the quicker overtaking car as well in all but one of the 20mph increments.

0-30 2.1 (2.1)
0-60 4.9 (5.1)
0-100 12.1 (11.9)
0-130 22.3 (20.0)
0-140 27.6 (25.2)

Fastest in-gear times

30-50 1.9 (1.9)
40-60 2.5 (2.0)
50-70 2.6 (2.7)
60-80 3.3 (two-point eight)
70-90 3.6 (3.0)
80-100 5.1 (3.5)
90-110 5.7 (4.4)
100-120 7.1 (4.9)

I'm not saying one is better than the other. That's personal choice but it is incorrect to say a V6S is quicker. If anything the opposite is true. Not bad for a 8 year older car which costs getting on for half as much as the Jag and it's also got a much nice engine too! Maybe the F-Type Roadster would narrow the gap because it's lighter but the Z4MR is also slightly quicker than Z4MC too.
Also worth remembering that's an auto vs a manual,, that zf gearbox is normally worth 0.2 second to 60 and maybe more to 100?

Not that it really matters, we all know it's about the feeling and not speed that makes cars special 8)
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Post by cj10jeeper » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:37 pm

Well that got a bit boring just all pulling random performance stats to prove points so I'll leave that whole thing well alone and we can enjoy different cars :)

Look forward to seeing developments on JAD's Chimera

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Post by TomK » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:05 pm

I'd agree, random performance stats are boring and next to useless. I couldn't really care much less whether my car was x amount quicker/slower to 100 say than another, performance in a straight line quickly becomes mundane once you are used to what you have, you'll always want more! (I had an SL65amg for a few months 10 years ago or so, so I feel qualified to say that!)
What is important (to me at least) is how the car goes about making that performance and it's here the z4m really scores imo. I'd also reiterate that the weight stats are important when considering a 'sports car' type vehicle, you just can't cheat physics.
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Post by original guvnor » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:51 pm

cj10jeeper wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:37 pm Well that got a bit boring just all pulling random performance stats to prove points so I'll leave that whole thing well alone and we can enjoy different cars :)

Ah well nobody would've posted any stats if you hadn't made some spurious claims about the F-Type's performance and stirred the pot.... :D You can't moan about boring stats when you've been proved wrong! :P Mine weren't random either. They were specific to prove the original point and they were fully verified and tested by the same magazine using exactly the same test gear, test track and methods. Unlike yours.

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Post by monkadill » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:10 pm

Ive made the jump myself, into 3.4 BOXSTER S 987, FORGIVE ME..

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Post by mmm-five » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:15 pm

monkadill wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:10 pm Ive made the jump myself, into 3.4 BOXSTER S 987, FORGIVE ME..
I can forgive the car (albeit with a soft top)...but in Essex Stiletto White :o

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Post by Fishy Dave » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:18 pm

Ooh interesting, would like to know your thoughts on the comparison between the 3.4S and the Z4M. My co-Directors girlfriend has one in Seal Grey and having driven and passengered in it there are a few things I prefer about this Boxster but the Z edges it for me still. :)
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Post by monkadill » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:24 pm

mmm-five wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:15 pm
monkadill wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:10 pm Ive made the jump myself, into 3.4 BOXSTER S 987, FORGIVE ME..
I can forgive the car (albeit with a soft top)...but in Essex Stiletto White :o

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And so it begins.. lol

I did scratch my head on White, but in the flesh its a good looking car! :driving:
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