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Post by mcbeee » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:17 pm

mmm-five wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:11 am
I assume he must be including Castrol Edge in that prescription, as that's the 'consumer' name for TWS...which is a BMW-specific name for their dealer-supplier RS/Edge (depending on the year).

Nope, he uses various other things but only TWS in the M's.
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Post by AndyBeech » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:22 pm

mcbeee wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:17 pm
mmm-five wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:11 am
I assume he must be including Castrol Edge in that prescription, as that's the 'consumer' name for TWS...which is a BMW-specific name for their dealer-supplier RS/Edge (depending on the year).

Nope, he uses various other things but only TWS in the M's.
He means TWS/Edge FST are the same thing, which they are (according to Castrol). Though the new consumer Castrol stuff has 'supercar' on it as well, it's the same just a rebrand. Nothing catastrophic going on with any of those though there are arguably better oils now in any case
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Post by buzyg » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:49 pm

Still not sure I'd be able to sleep at night, until I had a fresh oil change. But then I don't know the garage. If you trust that it was a typo then I'm glad it's sorted. :thumbsup:
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Post by Beedub » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:22 pm

honestly for the sake of knowing for sure, id just suck it out the dip stick tube with an oil extractor and replace it, will literally take you 15 mins..... i really wouldn't trust anyone unfortunately , I've found out that the hardway, even the best will cut corners when and where they can even if it means lying to your face......

im not saying driving gently keeping the revs low it will hurt it however, i think thats a-bit far even if it wasn't the correct oil, but for your own piece of mind.... change it.
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Post by Mangozac » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:38 pm

Rene_Z4MC wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:26 am The datasheet does indeed state it has 'signature fluorescent colour' but I was not able to observe any 'glowing' when putting it in UV light (tanning lamp), however my own fresh bottle of Castrol 10W60 also didn't show any glowing so I'm not sure if that is really a feature.
Interesting. Last time I did an oil change on a sunny day I could see he fluorescence just from the UV from the sun. It's a bright yellow/green (almost like a cartoon radioactive glow!). I did my inspection 2 oil change on the weekend and the weather was quite overcast so I wasn't able to notice the fluorescence.
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Post by Mangozac » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:41 pm

AndyBeech wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:22 pm
mcbeee wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:17 pm
mmm-five wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:11 am
I assume he must be including Castrol Edge in that prescription, as that's the 'consumer' name for TWS...which is a BMW-specific name for their dealer-supplier RS/Edge (depending on the year).

Nope, he uses various other things but only TWS in the M's.
He means TWS/Edge FST are the same thing, which they are (according to Castrol). Though the new consumer Castrol stuff has 'supercar' on it as well, it's the same just a rebrand. Nothing catastrophic going on with any of those though there are arguably better oils now in any case
Castrol Edge 10W60 is the low grade stuff for normal engines.
Castrol Edge Professional 10W60 is the replacement for BMW TWS and is used in several high performance engines.
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Post by AndyBeech » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:57 pm

Mangozac wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:41 pm
AndyBeech wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:22 pm
mcbeee wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:17 pm

Nope, he uses various other things but only TWS in the M's.
He means TWS/Edge FST are the same thing, which they are (according to Castrol). Though the new consumer Castrol stuff has 'supercar' on it as well, it's the same just a rebrand. Nothing catastrophic going on with any of those though there are arguably better oils now in any case
Castrol Edge 10W60 is the low grade stuff for normal engines.
Castrol Edge Professional 10W60 is the replacement for BMW TWS and is used in several high performance engines.
The professional brand doesn't exist anymore, not for the consumer at least (in the UK, AUS might be different). The 'Edge FST Titanium Supercar' brand with the black label is the replacement and is the same, just to be clear. BMW / M approved etc.
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Post by D4dawg » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:46 pm

Hmmmmmm to uv

And ref tws oils
What about the new twin turbo 10 60 shell they use now as that's what's in mine from main dealer??.

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Post by Argenta » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:45 pm

I was asking this question a while ago about the Motul 10w-60 that my indy promptly recommended and filled in.
If there’s a difference between Castrol 10w-60 & Castrol TWS 10w-60 one might wonder if Motul is any good for the S54. (Especially since I got this slight knock/rattle at idle lately)

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Post by mcbeee » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 am

Argenta wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:45 pm I was asking this question a while ago about the Motul 10w-60 that my indy promptly recommended and filled in.
If there’s a difference between Castrol 10w-60 & Castrol TWS 10w-60 one might wonder if Motul is any good for the S54. (Especially since I got this slight knock/rattle at idle lately)
My mechanic (the same one :) ) uses Motul in all the other cars he does but only the TWS in the M's ... I haven't seen the newer product yet, we are isolated on the Far left of North America so change and new stuff comes slowly.
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Post by Muckinonthesofa » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:29 am

Beedub wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:22 pm honestly for the sake of knowing for sure, id just suck it out the dip stick tube with an oil extractor and replace it, will literally take you 15 mins..... i really wouldn't trust anyone unfortunately , I've found out that the hardware, even the best will cut corners when and where they can even if it means lying to your face......

im not saying driving gently keeping the revs low it will hurt it however, i think thats a-bit far even if it wasn't the correct oil, but for your own piece of mind.... change it.
I agree with Beedub here, I just couldn't leave it in, it'd worry me too much. Change it, for the piece of mind it's gotta be worth it.
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Post by Mangozac » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:52 pm

AndyBeech wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:57 pm The professional brand doesn't exist anymore, not for the consumer at least (in the UK, AUS might be different). The 'Edge FST Titanium Supercar' brand with the black label is the replacement and is the same, just to be clear. BMW / M approved etc.
I don't believe the professional stuff was ever available retail here either. You have to get it either from BMW ($$$) or from a couple of online specialist suppliers selling 20L drums (which works out cheaper than high end retail oils anyway).
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:39 pm

For the sake of 140 quid for edge professional, suck it out. You will be crying when it blows up. Not worth it
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Post by dannytheduck1985 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:41 pm

Mangozac wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:52 pm
AndyBeech wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:57 pm The professional brand doesn't exist anymore, not for the consumer at least (in the UK, AUS might be different). The 'Edge FST Titanium Supercar' brand with the black label is the replacement and is the same, just to be clear. BMW / M approved etc.
I don't believe the professional stuff was ever available retail here either. You have to get it either from BMW ($$$) or from a couple of online specialist suppliers selling 20L drums (which works out cheaper than high end retail oils anyway).
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Post by Number5 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:15 pm

Read this thread about Alpina's recommendations for Oil changes. If anyone knows anything about oil it will be Alpina !
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(See Markeg's post on Page 1)

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