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Post by bensz4mc » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:16 pm

Latest saga - BMW sytner just called to say they would do the Inspection II and Front Brake but they wont be selling it as an Approved used car as they made a mistake reviewing the service history. Because the gap was 4 years they can only sell it as a Sytner select car with 6 months warranty. They have taken it off the BMW site. I am not best pleased!!!! I have asked them to tell me the differences between the two warranties and go away and find out it they can give me 2 years.

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Post by hopz121 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:43 pm

I thought this maybe the case,

BMW won't pay them for any warranty work because of the 4 year Gap doesn't meet the service schedule, Walk away or bargain hard! :(
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Post by bensz4mc » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:48 pm

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

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Post by mmm-five » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:29 pm

The dealer 'could' give you a 1-2 year BMW Insured warranty...but at that mileage you're looking at £2500+ a year for fully comprehensive...and I bet there's plenty they'd argue over due to the mileage.
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Post by markalp » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:43 pm

bensz4mc wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:16 pm Latest saga - BMW sytner just called to say they would do the Inspection II and Front Brake but they wont be selling it as an Approved used car as they made a mistake reviewing the service history. Because the gap was 4 years they can only sell it as a Sytner select car with 6 months warranty. They have taken it off the BMW site. I am not best pleased!!!! I have asked them to tell me the differences between the two warranties and go away and find out it they can give me 2 years.
Sounds like they have no confidence in the car, walk away.
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Post by srhutch » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:09 pm

markalp wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:43 pm
bensz4mc wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:16 pm Latest saga - BMW sytner just called to say they would do the Inspection II and Front Brake but they wont be selling it as an Approved used car as they made a mistake reviewing the service history. Because the gap was 4 years they can only sell it as a Sytner select car with 6 months warranty. They have taken it off the BMW site. I am not best pleased!!!! I have asked them to tell me the differences between the two warranties and go away and find out it they can give me 2 years.
Sounds like they have no confidence in the car, walk away.
Although AUC are only guidelines the warranty will obviously not be valid hence dealer won't sell as AUC. Car is probably fine.
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Post by mr wilks » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:58 pm

Ins2 + new front discs & pads is around £1400 . Have you seen a private 80k ZMC for £16600 ? Doubtful .
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Post by scotty4321 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm

Hi, just joined and only read this thread last night, feel a bit bad as this is about the same car I bought just over a week ago.
I hope Ben gets himself sorted out with another one shortly. I see on another thread he now wants to buy privately.

I stretched myself a little to buy this car and so just haggled and got cash off. No deals on brakes /servicing asked for. Out of interest I received 12mths warranty but it was sold as a Sytner not BMW approved car (they did advise me of this and it was due to the time between the last two services).

I took a bit of a punt with the car, but it may have paid off as checking with Sytner Newport about having the big end shells done it seems from the chassis number, that the following work has already been done by BMW:
Big end shells.
Piston rings.
Inlet and exhaust Vanos
Clutch
Both rear springs
This seems to be most of the expensive and trouble some issues hopefully already done.
I'm waiting for the print out, so do not know at what mileage the work was done at, but I'm thinking that I'll get the Gearbox and diff oil done for now and leave the other work until the full INSP2 in 2 years time. Plugs and valve clearances do not seem things that age alone and not miles would affect too much. May be wrong though.
Going to take the advice from here of doing interim oil changes around 6-7K miles from now on. Anyone recommend a good oil change pump? Also stick with low revs when cold until 75degC oil temp or only 1 or 2 orange rev limit lights left on. Cheers Scotty

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Post by Beedub » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:24 pm

wouldn't bother me tbh...... if your even slightly worried, theirs so many available right now just look at something else. Judging by the above it may not have been such a bad move to buy, looks like it may have been a worry free experience for some time, which is always nice with an s54 !
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Post by 99ron » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:50 pm

scotty4321 wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm Hi, just joined and only read this thread last night, feel a bit bad as this is about the same car I bought just over a week ago.
I hope Ben gets himself sorted out with another one shortly. I see on another thread he now wants to buy privately.

I stretched myself a little to buy this car and so just haggled and got cash off. No deals on brakes /servicing asked for. Out of interest I received 12mths warranty but it was sold as a Sytner not BMW approved car (they did advise me of this and it was due to the time between the last two services).

I took a bit of a punt with the car, but it may have paid off as checking with Sytner Newport about having the big end shells done it seems from the chassis number, that the following work has already been done by BMW:
Big end shells.
Piston rings.
Inlet and exhaust Vanos
Clutch
Both rear springs
This seems to be most of the expensive and trouble some issues hopefully already done.
I'm waiting for the print out, so do not know at what mileage the work was done at, but I'm thinking that I'll get the Gearbox and diff oil done for now and leave the other work until the full INSP2 in 2 years time. Plugs and valve clearances do not seem things that age alone and not miles would affect too much. May be wrong though.
Going to take the advice from here of doing interim oil changes around 6-7K miles from now on. Anyone recommend a good oil change pump? Also stick with low revs when cold until 75degC oil temp or only 1 or 2 orange rev limit lights left on. Cheers Scotty
So there's another oil change there when they did the shells that maybe isn't a service stamp as such. Interesting to know if the shells were done because of the failure to change the oil in 4 years or if that was ages ago hence the oil only now perhaps needs to be changed again. Either way seems not as bad as it 1st looked. I use a Pela pump for the oil. I'm only doing 2K a year now but I slip in an interim oil change myself every year in-between dealer stamped changes every 2 years. Overkill maybe but for £60ish and 20 mins effort it's worth it.
Warm up don't go by the orange lights.That's coolant I believe. Wait for the oil to properly warm up. I stay under 3K until the oil temp is up. I'd guess a lot of cars in their early life's won't have been treated with that sort of respect so you don't know what damage is already done but with those new parts guess you'll be just fine. Enjoy the car.
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Post by Mangozac » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:02 pm

scotty4321 wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm I took a bit of a punt with the car, but it may have paid off as checking with Sytner Newport about having the big end shells done it seems from the chassis number, that the following work has already been done by BMW:
Big end shells.
Piston rings.
Inlet and exhaust Vanos
Clutch
Both rear springs
This seems to be most of the expensive and trouble some issues hopefully already done.
I'm waiting for the print out, so do not know at what mileage the work was done at, but I'm thinking that I'll get the Gearbox and diff oil done for now and leave the other work until the full INSP2 in 2 years time. Plugs and valve clearances do not seem things that age alone and not miles would affect too much. May be wrong though.
Going to take the advice from here of doing interim oil changes around 6-7K miles from now on. Anyone recommend a good oil change pump? Also stick with low revs when cold until 75degC oil temp or only 1 or 2 orange rev limit lights left on. Cheers Scotty
Welcome, Scotty! If all of those things have indeed been done then it sounds like you might have gotten yourself a good score! While the 4 year service had isn't ideal, I wouldn't lose sleep over it, especially seeing as the big end bearings have been done.

Piston rings is an odd one - certainly not a common S54 issue that I'm aware of.

Plugs and valve clearances are indeed purely mileage based (and note that plugs are changed half as frequently as valve clearances). I found that the stock NGK plugs on my car were shagged well before their scheduled replacement though (giving me occasional misfires, which cause the DME to shut down the cylinder).

Keep under 4k RPM until the end of the street. 5k RPM under 75 degrees and don't approach the redline until the oil temp is close to 100 degrees.
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Post by bensz4mc » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:30 pm

scotty4321 wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm Hi, just joined and only read this thread last night, feel a bit bad as this is about the same car I bought just over a week ago.
I hope Ben gets himself sorted out with another one shortly. I see on another thread he now wants to buy privately.

I stretched myself a little to buy this car and so just haggled and got cash off. No deals on brakes /servicing asked for. Out of interest I received 12mths warranty but it was sold as a Sytner not BMW approved car (they did advise me of this and it was due to the time between the last two services).

I took a bit of a punt with the car, but it may have paid off as checking with Sytner Newport about having the big end shells done it seems from the chassis number, that the following work has already been done by BMW:
Big end shells.
Piston rings.
Inlet and exhaust Vanos
Clutch
Both rear springs
This seems to be most of the expensive and trouble some issues hopefully already done.
I'm waiting for the print out, so do not know at what mileage the work was done at, but I'm thinking that I'll get the Gearbox and diff oil done for now and leave the other work until the full INSP2 in 2 years time. Plugs and valve clearances do not seem things that age alone and not miles would affect too much. May be wrong though.
Going to take the advice from here of doing interim oil changes around 6-7K miles from now on. Anyone recommend a good oil change pump? Also stick with low revs when cold until 75degC oil temp or only 1 or 2 orange rev limit lights left on. Cheers Scotty
Scotty, Well done buddy - seems like you got a good one! What's meant to be is meant to be... 😀

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Post by scotty4321 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:30 pm

Cheers all, going to find out when the shells were done. No idea on piston rings, no need to remove the head to change shells (not sure on vanos though).
Manual says that orange lights are coolant, with one orange being up to water temp. I looked today and with 2 orange lights the oil is not fully warm less than 75. It seems to run about 90DegC oil temp when hot. I can wait for that as my commute is short and in traffic anyway.
Been looking at this pump, gets good reviews, seems cheap here to £35 and copes with 6 litres so big enough to do the job in one:
https://www.mailspeedmarine.com/oil-ext ... 37774.html

I'm insured for 5K miles a year and so it looks like I'll do the same as you and do oil every other year as I'll keep the history going. Way it's going I may exceed 5k and need a top up.
Spending hours reading the forum, seems great and very friendly.

Ben, cheers. Hope you get sorted out soon . Regards Scotty

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Post by Beedub » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:36 pm

Really nice to see some enthusiastic new members coming along!! Welcome , welcome !
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Post by mr wilks » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:00 pm

scotty4321 wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:30 pm Cheers all, going to find out when the shells were done. No idea on piston rings, no need to remove the head to change shells (not sure on vanos though).
Manual says that orange lights are coolant, with one orange being up to water temp. I looked today and with 2 orange lights the oil is not fully warm less than 75. It seems to run about 90DegC oil temp when hot. I can wait for that as my commute is short and in traffic anyway.
Been looking at this pump, gets good reviews, seems cheap here to £35 and copes with 6 litres so big enough to do the job in one:
https://www.mailspeedmarine.com/oil-ext ... 37774.html

I'm insured for 5K miles a year and so it looks like I'll do the same as you and do oil every other year as I'll keep the history going. Way it's going I may exceed 5k and need a top up.
Spending hours reading the forum, seems great and very friendly.

Ben, cheers. Hope you get sorted out soon . Regards Scotty
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