Which car would you have from the list?

[Angie4m]

i think you are all missing the plot here am i the only one who cannot see the point in buying what is visually a bog std box IE M1 or M3 with a big engine , they are to be found absolutly everywhere , especially the M3 common as muck there is nothing unique about the M1

Who mentioned M1? As for nothing unique about it I think you need to educate yourself as this is a M1



I assume what you meant to say was 1M which is something completley different. As for being found everywhere, no they aren't they made less than a thousand of them world wide. The engine used in it is only found in one other car, the 35is. I had a E88 135i, I got to use a 1M on a track day and it was a completely different beast, power, handling, sound. Just so much aggression in such a small package.

I assume you've never owed or driven a 'proper' ///M car especially the E30s, E36s and the E46s, if you had your know it's not marketing but the actual engineering of the car, the way it feels and drives, the powe delivery. The fact that the competition for many years had to use much larger engines, superchargers etc to get anywhere near and BMW were using NA engines which were so well engineered they ate up and spat out the rivals.

Each to their own but to truly comment on such things you need to have experienced them and experienced them properly. 'Proper' ///M cars are not ten a penny, they are not as mass produced as you seem to imply, 318's, 320's, 116's, 228's, 120's, yes these are everywhere because they can be had cheap on lease or the never, never. An actual M car, like a M3, M4 etc are not cheap and as much as a lot of people would like to own one, it's just not feesabile and so they go for what they can afford, thus saturating the market.

The ///M cars help BMW sell their bog standard cars and that can be seen when people choose colours that they've chosen to show of the ///M cars in.

On another note, we've got the E89 and M235i which are current production cars and then we have the old M3, why not the M4?

[john-e89]

i think you are all missing the plot here am i the only one who cannot see the point in buying what is visually a bog std box IE M1 or M3 with a big engine , they are to be found absolutly everywhere , especially the M3 common as muck there is nothing unique about the M1

Who mentioned M1? As for nothing unique about it I think you need to educate yourself as this is a M1



I assume what you meant to say was 1M which is something completley different. As for being found everywhere, no they aren't they made less than a thousand of them world wide. The engine used in it is only found in one other car, the 35is. I had a E88 135i, I got to use a 1M on a track day and it was a completely different beast, power, handling, sound. Just so much aggression in such a small package.

I assume you've never owed or driven a 'proper' ///M car especially the E30s, E36s and the E46s, if you had your know it's not marketing but the actual engineering of the car, the way it feels and drives, the powe delivery. The fact that the competition for many years had to use much larger engines, superchargers etc to get anywhere near and BMW were using NA engines which were so well engineered they ate up and spat out the rivals.

Each to their own but to truly comment on such things you need to have experienced them and experienced them properly. 'Proper' ///M cars are not ten a penny, they are not as mass produced as you seem to imply, 318's, 320's, 116's, 228's, 120's, yes these are everywhere because they can be had cheap on lease or the never, never. An actual M car, like a M3, M4 etc are not cheap and as much as a lot of people would like to own one, it's just not feesabile and so they go for what they can afford, thus saturating the market.

The ///M cars help BMW sell their bog standard cars and that can be seen when people choose colours that they've chosen to show of the ///M cars in.

On another note, we've got the E89 and M235i which are current production cars and then we have the old M3, why not the M4?

..........now bugger off back into your burrow and don't come back out until you're told!! Naughty Tricky

[KERMIT1970]

3 great cars. Had a m3 500 edition for a week & loved it apart from the mpg & almost bought it,also had the m235 for a couple of days & it's a great motor too. But can't really say either made me smile the way my 35is does

Had a M4 for the day too angie ! Lol got to say that's already on my list for my next car, convertible fantastic thing

[Tricky Dicky]

hi troops easy on the abuse i acccept my error i ment to say the M2 and M3 are no more than metal boxes with an M badge , I think deep down you all knew id made an error , the M1 is a class apart , i accept that, but i still stick with my comments re M2 and M3 bog std box

[original guvnor]

Surely the E89 is a "bog standard box" too no?

[hopz121]

Surely the E89 is a "bog standard box" too no?

Even more so than the m135i and m235i I would say

[TitanTim]

But are the \\\Ms really worth 20/30K over an M135i/235i? in all honesty no in everyday driving, the gap I feel isn't total. I will be trying the M2 to test my theory

Tim.

[Tricky Dicky]

i think there is a bit more drama going on with the E89 ,more wow factor , yes ?

[original guvnor]

But are the \\\Ms really worth 20/30K over an M135i/235i? in all honesty no in everyday driving, the gap I feel isn't total. I will be trying the M2 to test my theory

Tim.

best policy Tim - drive one and try it. But don't pussyfoot around when you do.

[TitanTim]

But are the \\\Ms really worth 20/30K over an M135i/235i? in all honesty no in everyday driving, the gap I feel isn't total. I will be trying the M2 to test my theory

Tim.

best policy Tim - drive one and try it. But don't pussyfoot around when you do.

I tried an M4 a few weeks back and wasn't overwhelmed to be honest compared to the M135i but then I wasnt driving 100%. Price bracket for the M2 is predicted around 50K so you're looking at a 20K price difference over the M135/235i. Thats alot for everyday driving.

Tim.

[ronk]

It's impossible to get a true consensus of opinion I would say, as there are so many differences, driving styles, requirements, costs,looks etc etc.

How many of us have a one car garage?

[R.E92]

The new M4 is a moderate performance boost vs a E92 M3 in stock form. But the real benefit of the new M3/4 comes when you start tuning them.

There's already been some work done by the likes of BMS who have provided a port of their JB4 piggyback solution from the N54 to the S55 engine. Once tuned the car is capable of an 11.1s 1/4 mile which puts it in a whole new league.

Once people start putting some serious development into a full ECU tune the car will move on again, likely into 10 second 1/4mile times. I personally wouldn't let a piggyback near any of my cars but it just shows what the engine is capable of and that it's more than the standard 6cyl engine found in the 35i/40i models.

[sharkman07]

The E92 came after a string of cars, two E46 M3's, an E36 Evo, E39 M5 and E30 M3 (god I wish I had kept that), as well as several 911's both air cooled and water cooled. So I have pretty decent experience of high-performance cars. The E92 was the most disappointing car I have had in years, I really wanted to love it, and the engine was a beauty, but the car was just too heavy and unwieldy. Too far away from the core values a real drivers car should have. Oh and I have had an M4 for a couple of days recently, now that is much better!

[matthurley]

On another note, we've got the E89 and M235i which are current production cars and then we have the old M3, why not the M4?

The idea of me choosing these 3 cars for my poll are that they are possible replacements for my Zed in a couple of years. I didn't include an M4 as that would be out of my budget