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Surprised with falling E89 used values

Specific discussion about the E89 2009 Z4 (sDrive35is, sDrive35i, sDrive30i, sDrive23i)
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Post by mr wilks » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:06 pm

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Do you think the US market is really relevant to the uk?
Youve only got to look at their own cars to know taste isn't one of their strong points..
Id say the comments were reflective of the E89 no matter what side of the atlantic you sleep :? they are way too pricey list price new & the dismal residuals reflect that , they are still not holding value & continue to freefall seemingly without any reflection of the seasonal price swing
I have one , id love them to be in demand & rising in value but reality is there are too many for sale for the number of buyers & that will only end up one way :(
That's a real shame as I love mine. You know what I paid for it and it's loads of motor for the money. If it drops much more it will be E85 money and that would just be wrong! :( p
I wouldn't flap , i suspect you've had enough cars to know a what represents good value plus you're into a good model at the right money so enjoy it but be wary its unlikely to hold value if you sit on it more than 18months/2 years :?
The fudging of numbers from E85s to E89s is relatively new so may take time to settle into predictable territory & until it does it makes interesting times for those who enjoy the whole Z scene
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Post by john-e89 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:09 pm

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john-e89 wrote:If I had any sense I'd bin mine for a TVR Griff or escort cosworth to stop the free fall, both these are rising at a silly rate.
Somehow I can't see you in the Tesco carpark at night with your Escort though. :lol:
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Post by Smartbear » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:15 pm

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Id say the comments were reflective of the E89 no matter what side of the atlantic you sleep :? they are way too pricey list price new & the dismal residuals reflect that , they are still not holding value & continue to freefall seemingly without any reflection of the seasonal price swing
I have one , id love them to be in demand & rising in value but reality is there are too many for sale for the number of buyers & that will only end up one way :(
That's a real shame as I love mine. You know what I paid for it and it's loads of motor for the money. If it drops much more it will be E85 money and that would just be wrong! :( p
I wouldn't flap , i suspect you've had enough cars to know a what represents good value plus you're into a good model at the right money so enjoy it but be wary its unlikely to hold value if you sit on it more than 18months/2 years :?
The fudging of numbers from E85s to E89s is relatively new so may take time to settle into predictable territory & until it does it makes interesting times for those who enjoy the whole Z scene
I must admit I've had itchy fingers & have been looking at e89's recently, ive been lucky with my last few cars and haven't lost any money on them-I got my si for a good price just over 2 years ago and don't think its dropped very much.
I'm not sure about the e89 though, im sure its a nicer car but I don't want to buy into something that sheds its value overnight :?
Maybe il stick with my si, its fast & doesn't stand me in a fortune :driving:
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Post by mr wilks » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:20 pm

Smart words mr Bear , as you know the Si's are pretty predictable to value , the 89s not so easy & by comparison seem to hang around for months before they sell as opposed to weeks :?
That will change with a rapid swing imo when the masses discover the later model is so much better for not much more £ :D
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Post by Smartbear » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:34 pm

mr wilks wrote:Smart words mr Bear , as you know the Si's are pretty predictable to value , the 89s not so easy & by comparison seem to hang around for months before they sell as opposed to weeks :?
That will change with a rapid swing imo when the masses discover the later model is so much better for not much more £ :D
Mr Wilks-does the lesser power of the 23i make itself obvious compared to a facelift 3litre or is normal day to day driving pretty similar?
The 30i seems to be a lot dearer leaving the 23i as a reasonably priced car but is it at a high price of missing driving enjoyment?
I do like the way my car picks its skirt up & flies when I overtake things :P
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Post by mr wilks » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:46 pm

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mr wilks wrote:Smart words mr Bear , as you know the Si's are pretty predictable to value , the 89s not so easy & by comparison seem to hang around for months before they sell as opposed to weeks :?
That will change with a rapid swing imo when the masses discover the later model is so much better for not much more £ :D
Mr Wilks-does the lesser power of the 23i make itself obvious compared to a facelift 3litre or is normal day to day driving pretty similar?
The 30i seems to be a lot dearer leaving the 23i as a reasonably priced car but is it at a high price of missing driving enjoyment?
I do like the way my car picks its skirt up & flies when I overtake things :P
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I wouldn't lie , the overtakes in the 23i need to be calculated whereas the Si its merely a risk ( & the ///M was just a laugh)
As you note day-to-day the 200bhp is ample , come the weekend come the hoon you just need practice & you need to work the revs that bit harder
Last Sunday I was out with 5 other Zs with mine the least powerful & off the front had no problem keeping ahead , if I was in a Si or M I would most likely just have been a little more ahead as there is no opportunity to go flat out where i'm sure the 23i would be left watching
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Post by Rathean » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:56 am

mr wilks wrote:I wouldn't lie , the overtakes in the 23i need to be calculated whereas the Si its merely a risk ( & the ///M was just a laugh)
As you note day-to-day the 200bhp is ample , come the weekend come the hoon you just need practice & you need to work the revs that bit harder
Last Sunday I was out with 5 other Zs with mine the least powerful & off the front had no problem keeping ahead , if I was in a Si or M I would most likely just have been a little more ahead as there is no opportunity to go flat out where i'm sure the 23i would be left watching
I agree, my 23i MSport Highline had it all, it was a cracking car and accomplished every-day motor. But, even in Sport mode it left me wanting a bit more especially on over-takes. Now I'm in a 35i its over in a blink and I'm just thinking about road positioning.
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Post by Pastry » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:57 am

Rathean wrote:
mr wilks wrote:I wouldn't lie , the overtakes in the 23i need to be calculated whereas the Si its merely a risk ( & the ///M was just a laugh)
As you note day-to-day the 200bhp is ample , come the weekend come the hoon you just need practice & you need to work the revs that bit harder
Last Sunday I was out with 5 other Zs with mine the least powerful & off the front had no problem keeping ahead , if I was in a Si or M I would most likely just have been a little more ahead as there is no opportunity to go flat out where i'm sure the 23i would be left watching
I agree, my 23i MSport Highline had it all, it was a cracking car and accomplished every-day motor. But, even in Sport mode it left me wanting a bit more especially on over-takes. Now I'm in a 35i its over in a blink and I'm just thinking about road positioning.
I also wish for a little more oomph sometimes but it doesn't stop me enjoying the car. In fact I enjoy working the revs that bit more and if I did the same in a 35i, my licence and I would soon be parted :driving: :?
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Post by pvr » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:10 am

Ah, but you could also say that taking a longer time to overtake means you are longer exceeding the limit and therefor increasing the risk of getting caught :P
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Post by Pastry » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:28 am

pvr wrote:Ah, but you could also say that taking a longer time to overtake means you are longer exceeding the limit and therefor increasing the risk of getting caught :P
If my experience with owning a Z3M is anything to go by, you just overtake two cars instead of one :P
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Post by Rathean » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:31 pm

Back on topic, the E89s are very spec-sensitive in their desirability and therefore value. The top-spec models with iDrive, extended Bluetooth / USB and MSport trim fly off the shelf, I know because I chased a couple of elusive ones before I finally bagged one, but the lower spec models sit around for weeks. I found getting a good spec manual 35i took a while, not sure if the demand for these is higher than DCT equiv but they are rarer, so I'd expect their values to hold out particularly after the new Z is out in 2017/18?
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Post by mr wilks » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:52 pm

Rathean wrote:Back on topic, the E89s are very spec-sensitive in their desirability and therefore value. The top-spec models with iDrive, extended Bluetooth / USB and MSport trim fly off the shelf, I know because I chased a couple of elusive ones before I finally bagged one, but the lower spec models sit around for weeks. I found getting a good spec manual 35i took a while, not sure if the demand for these is higher than DCT equiv but they are rarer, so I'd expect their values to hold out particularly after the new Z is out in 2017/18?
Looking for a 3.5i/Is manual is going to leave a rather small pool for would be buyers to swim in so your experience is not fully reflective of the whole E89 market :wink:
All options ticked will always assist a sale but that goes with any model car ,
However way you view all the 89s they offer a lot for a little if compared like for like with their alternatives & a mapped 3.5Is is a machine very little would match for the yr/spec/pricepoint they can be got for ,
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Post by Z4_35i » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:49 pm

mr wilks wrote:However way you view all the 89s they offer a lot for a little if compared like for like with their alternatives & a mapped 3.5Is is a machine very little would match for the yr/spec/pricepoint they can be got for
+1 Great value for money, our ESS mapped 35i will be up for sale Oct./Nov. when our new C43 arrives :D

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