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BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
Oh and I've never seen a TTRS Roadster in the flesh either. How long have they been out?!!
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
I've seen 1 and that was parked up but that's it.original guvnor wrote:Oh and I've never seen a TTRS Roadster in the flesh either. How long have they been out?!!
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
E85's are bought as 2nd or 3rd car purely because they are older and cheeper to buy.ZermattV wrote: a lot of E85 Z4s are bought as 2nd or 3rd cars and the Z4 E89 does not feel or look sufficiently different from a lot of the target markets daily drivers.
PMSL when I read the bit about not looking sufficiently different from target market daily drivers....what fuc#ing planet are you on?
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
My mrs had a Mk1 TT Roadster years ago but she didn't reckon that much to it yet she loves her TTS Coupe, agree though the rears seat are hopeless for adults but fine for our 5 year old.
There is a good chance we will replace the TTS with the MK3 TTS so its certainly got under my other half`s skin...I would prefer she got a BMW but like me she thinks most Beemers are ugly...but they don't half drive well!
I would say out of the current line up only the Z4 & 6 series for me are nice to look at but I have always thought people don't buy a BMW for the way it looks its the way it drives that sells it & its the other way around for Audi they get bought because of the way they look & not the way they drive.
There is a good chance we will replace the TTS with the MK3 TTS so its certainly got under my other half`s skin...I would prefer she got a BMW but like me she thinks most Beemers are ugly...but they don't half drive well!
I would say out of the current line up only the Z4 & 6 series for me are nice to look at but I have always thought people don't buy a BMW for the way it looks its the way it drives that sells it & its the other way around for Audi they get bought because of the way they look & not the way they drive.
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
My Q5 drives like an X5, which according to pvr is the same as my E89....go figure!!
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
Why do you have a problem with that as that is what BMW did with the e89, ie it is targeted to be very similar to the rest of the range.
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
I don't think it has a lot to do with price - the below is not far of Z4MC money with great 0-60 times and i don't see many of the MC boys swapping for it anytime soon....
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... iment=true
If i was driving one every day - this e89 would be a better car than my M and in a similar colour scheme but for weekend use - no thanks.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... iment=true
If i was driving one every day - this e89 would be a better car than my M and in a similar colour scheme but for weekend use - no thanks.
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
You can't compare any of the E89 range to the old Z4Ms its a different segment and market, what the current Z4 does is move the game on from the old Non M Z4 range which I think it does perfectly whilst feeling more upmarket, it should do, its a newer model. Whilst I quite liked the old model Z4 I was never tempted to swap one for my Z3, the interior was its biggest letdown for me, so sympathise with the ragtop ownersZermattV wrote:I don't think it has a lot to do with price - the below is not far of Z4MC money with great 0-60 times and i don't see many of the MC boys swapping for it anytime soon....
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... iment=true
If i was driving one every day - this e89 would be a better car than my M and in a similar colour scheme but for weekend use - no thanks.
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
I think BMW have always been great when bringing out new models because they generally make big improvements whilst maintaining the identity of the former model but I guess they haven't really managed that with the z4. I think someone has said this already but maybe the e89 should have been a z6 instead. There was talk of a smaller roadster coming out and that it would be the z2, which makes sense in the same way that a z6 would have.
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
Seems the TT isn't faring a whole lot better according to Autocar. Oh and before the jokes....roadster sales are just as bad (if not worse).
"But despite its high profile and a relatively affordable starting price of £25,000, the TT sold just 18,353 units last year (down from 21,880 in 2012) - a tiny fraction of the 1.6 million cars that Audi sold globally in the same period.
Sales of coupés in general are suffering in today’s market. According to figures from automotive analyst JATO Dynamics, coupé sales fell by 31 per cent in Europe last year, making it the worst-performing segment. Premium coupé sales were also down by 21 per cent.
By contrast, sales of cars in compact premium sector rose by 24 per cent in Europe last year, second only to small SUVs and crossovers in the major market niches.
Global sales of the Audi A3 jumped from 164,666 in 2012 to 221,097 last year, while sales of the Q3 compact SUV jumped from 106,466 to 152,163 over the same period"
"But despite its high profile and a relatively affordable starting price of £25,000, the TT sold just 18,353 units last year (down from 21,880 in 2012) - a tiny fraction of the 1.6 million cars that Audi sold globally in the same period.
Sales of coupés in general are suffering in today’s market. According to figures from automotive analyst JATO Dynamics, coupé sales fell by 31 per cent in Europe last year, making it the worst-performing segment. Premium coupé sales were also down by 21 per cent.
By contrast, sales of cars in compact premium sector rose by 24 per cent in Europe last year, second only to small SUVs and crossovers in the major market niches.
Global sales of the Audi A3 jumped from 164,666 in 2012 to 221,097 last year, while sales of the Q3 compact SUV jumped from 106,466 to 152,163 over the same period"
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Re: BMW Sales strong but E89 -16%
So basically people want more 'useful' cars. I wanted a more useful car, an X6 to be precise and ended up with the Z4 because I can't turn down a good looking, fast car.
Of course small premium car sales will be up, bmw and Audi seem to be going toe to toe on that one and the introduction of the new A3 saloon and convertible are testimony to the fact the 1 series Coupe and Convertible was clearly drawing sales away from them. Merc aren't spun too bad with the new A class and I've seen about 7 CLAs in the past week, only 1 was decent looking enough to make me wanna buy one though and being driven by someone a lot older than the 'target' market bod.
Of course small premium car sales will be up, bmw and Audi seem to be going toe to toe on that one and the introduction of the new A3 saloon and convertible are testimony to the fact the 1 series Coupe and Convertible was clearly drawing sales away from them. Merc aren't spun too bad with the new A class and I've seen about 7 CLAs in the past week, only 1 was decent looking enough to make me wanna buy one though and being driven by someone a lot older than the 'target' market bod.
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