SMG Transmission? Any good?

OK now I know people will tell me to search for a thread, but SMG is too short a search string!

I've found a 3.0 cabby with the SMG, now whats the crack with these? All I know is that its an actuated manual as opposed to a torque convertor auto. IS it any good? I've driven a DSG equipped Golf GTi and Audi TT, how does it compare with them?
 
IMO, not on the Z4 no.

It's the same as the SSG fitted to the 330 Sport and I find it dim witted, jerky and slow. It's many years behind the DSG system so nothing like it (especially as that's a dual clutch set up for seamless changes). The paddles also feel flimsy and lack the 'feel' you expect from a decent paddle shift. Note that SMG in the E46 M3 is very different - that box is very good once you get used to it, and the paddles have a far better action. They are also 'correct' (down with the left, up with the right) and not as on the SSG (SMG), which is push either forward or pull either back.

They never offered the 'proper' M3 SMG on the Z4 though which is a shame. I would have bought a Z4M SMG.
 
Those that have SMG for the most part will tell you it is really great. Many, including myself, that have only driven it for a test drive or for just a short time will likely have a negative opinion. I think that if you were to read every thread you could find here and elsewhere the common thread would be it's not desirable if you do a lot of stop and go driving in heavy city traffic. SMG was an option for the 2003 to 2005 models only and was dropped with the face lift 2006 models and on.

Here is a thread for you to start with...
http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12803
 
Caddyshk said:
Do a search - Franky, I'm tired of re-posting...

Save that you just posted :?

Have you done a search on SMG? Doesn't bring up any hits. Not sure what bit of that in the original post confused you?

And who's franky?
 
SLK Driver said:
Caddyshk said:
Do a search - Franky, I'm tired of re-posting...

Save that you just posted :?

Have you done a search on SMG? Doesn't bring up any hits. Not sure what bit of that in the original post confused you?

And who's franky?
I was sure I posted this here...?

Sorry...

Here you go!

Here's my long winded response. I had SMG special ordered in a 2004 330I that I drove the hell out of, including 4 all out track days and never had a problem.

On 03's and early 04's SMG (SSG) had problems with the hydraulic pump failing (hence the slipping people have talked about). Other than that issue, the system is rock solid. On any used car, I would check the service records to ensure the pump has been replaced and, or the clutch/pressure plate due to the wear caused by the pump. The driving experience: In general I loved it - would have ordered a similar system for the Z4MC had it been available. Its great on the race track. In traffic it can be cumbersome due to the computer getting a little out of sync with the inputs you're giving it via the throttle and brake. You need to be conscious that you are driving a standard - how you manage the throttle in relation to how the computer is managing the clutch creates smoothness...

A - Auto mode - feels like someone driving the car that has never driven stick

M (manual) - R(regular) mode - shifts are slow and sluggish, however transfer of energy on the drivetrain is relatively smooth and your passengers will not be thrown about

M (manual) - S (sport) mode - shifts are rock solid and about as quick as most drivers would shift in sporty driving - tends to be harsh on passengers

M (manual) - SS (super sport) mode - shifts are race car quick, hard on the drivetrain and the system will upshift on its own just prior to hitting the rev limiter. This mode also has a launch control... Here's the scoop from a fellow who talked with the manufacturer:
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Here is the answer from Dag from Germany. He has talked to Magneti Marelli:

I have a 325i with SSG, in Europe we call it SMG also. (Sequential manual
gearbox)
I have also tested the M3 with SMG made by Siemens.(And Ferrari 355 and 360
Modena with F1 shifting)
The system in the 325i and 330i is more intelligent, and better in everyday
use because of the ergonomics. It is developed by Magneti Marelli, by a guy
called Guiseppe Medico, the same guy also developed the F1 gearing for
Ferrari 360 Modena. He told me the system in BMW 325i and 330i is the latest
and most up to date system on the market. Magneti Marelli also developed
similar systems for the new Ferrari Enzo (look at the pictures and you will
see the logo from M.M. on the side of the Enzo), the 575 Maranello, the 355
and also the Ferrari F1 cars ! (The M.M. logo can be seen on Shumachers car
too...nice !)
The most important differences between M3 SMG and 325/330 SMG systems
is that with the M3 you have to use both hands for shifting, personally I
prefer to only use my right hand only for shifting. Sometimes I use my left
hand for both up and downshifts when my right hand is occupied with
something else. And sometimes when cruising I prefer to use the stick. Every
summer I go to the Nurburgring in Germany to race on the track, and my
experience there tells me that it is a clear benefit that the shifters
follows the steeringwheel. It is also a clear benefit that the gearbox
shifts automatically to the next gear when hitting the rev limiter. Then you
can focus on driving instead of shifting during acceleration. The M3 does
not have this feature, while the Formula 1 cars does !
Most people believe the M3 system shifts faster, but it does not. The
Magneti Marelli system does have a secret "Super sport" mode that is not
listed in the owners manual. I got this info directly from Magneti
Marinelli:
1.Turn off all the electronics (by pressing the DSP button for 4 seconds).
2.Press the sports button. 3.When the accelerator is pushed to the floor and
you let the gearbox do the upshifts automatically, you will experience Super
Sport shifting just as fast as the fastest program on the M3, very hard
racing shifting. The ordinary sport shifting is OK, but not even close to
the super sports mode. The M3 have 6 different levels, while the 325/330
system only have 3,regular, sport and supersport. Anyway I believe those
three are exactly the options you need.
You also have launch control and cruise mode, but I almost never use the
Cruise mode even if it works OK.
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In closing - It's a great way to trick your wife into letting you get a manual car...
 
Caddyshk said:
Sometimes I use my left
hand for both up and downshifts when my right hand is occupied with
something else.
Ooooh errrrr.

I'd love to have a good in one - If anyone near me has a 3.0 SSG, I'll return the favour with letting you thrash mine for a little while :thumbsup:
 
Andy said:
Caddyshk said:
Sometimes I use my left
hand for both up and downshifts when my right hand is occupied with
something else.
Ooooh errrrr.

I'd love to have a good in one - If anyone near me has a 3.0 SSG, I'll return the favour with letting you thrash mine for a little while :thumbsup:
Everyone knows right handers use their left hand :rofl:
 
Hah, sh*t. Wasn't meant to be another inuendo in my post either.. lol.

I meant.. "I'd love a GO in one"
 
I enjoy my SMG. It's especially good for country road hooning - keeping your hands firmly on the wheel whilst downshifting just before/out of a corner is nice. I'd imagine that with a future car (and the undoubted/claimed improvements by owners of more modern systems) I'd like it even more.
 
SLK Driver said:
Wondermike said:
What gearbox is in your SLK?
6 Speed manual :thumbsup:
Good, I think if you were coming from the 7G-tronic you might find the SSG a bit too agricultural, but coming from a manual you might see it a bit differently.

The technology is old now, goes back to to 1997 - that's a long time.
 
Caddyshk, respect your difference of opinion on the gearbox. But if you don't mind, I'd like to critic the comments from the 'expert who has spoken to M.M'. His comments smack of someone trying to justify his choice in the light of overwhelming contradictory evidence...using information from the man who designed the software (!!!). As if he is going to admit 'Yup, in truth our system is balls, the Siemens set up (which is SMG II) nailed it, buy that'. SSG might be ok on it's own, but better than SMG II it is not.

The M Division fitted the Siemens set up to M E46s for a reason...if he were right, why is the CSL SMG II? Why was SSG dropped?

The system in the 325i and 330i is more intelligent, and better in everyday use because of the ergonomics.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but most reports agree it's not. Here is one.

with the M3 you have to use both hands for shifting, personally I prefer to only use my right hand only for shifting. Sometimes I use my left hand for both up and downshifts when my right hand is occupied with something else.

Hmmm. What exactly is he doing with his other hand while driving....

And sometimes when cruising I prefer to use the stick.

SMG II has one too. And it's much nicer to use with a great snick-snick action to it.

Every summer I go to the Nurburgring in Germany to race on the track, and my experience there tells me that it is a clear benefit that the shifters follows the steering wheel.

Except you shouldn't be changing gear mid corner really. But SMG II is the same.

It is also a clear benefit that the gearbox shifts automatically to the next gear when hitting the rev limiter. Then you can focus on driving instead of shifting during acceleration.

For me, knowing the correct point at which to change gear is part of driving?

The M3 does not have this feature, while the Formula 1 cars does !

An F1 car also doesn't have a reverse gear. This is relevant why?

Most people believe the M3 system shifts faster, but it does not.

If you don't want a clutch, I'd argue the steptronic auto is much more accomplished and gives the kind of buyer looking at SSG a better car - step tronic changes when you fancy it, silky smooth auto when you don't. If SMG II had been offered on the Z4, I would whole heartedly recommend it. If you can, try an E46 M3 with SMG II to see what I am getting at

:)
 
3.0 si Sport SMG . . . .and I love it, leave in auto around town when the traffic is slooooow, auto for cruising on duals and motorways with the option to "kick down" in different stages using the throttle pedal or drop a couple of cogs using the paddles. Want to have some fun ?. . .Steptronic or paddles in Sport mode giving you the choice to change when you want with the back up of not cooking the engine.. And as far as ergonomics are concerned, I think BMW got it right when they chose the current left and right paddle system always mounted near your hands on the wheel, both operating with the same "logic" as opposed to the "cheaper " "fixed" plates of alloy which stay in situ on the column on many high performance cars . . . .

PS I like toys in my cars, and SMG is a lot of fun to play with . . . . .

Delboy :)
 
DELBOY said:
3.0 si Sport SMG . . . .and I love it, leave in auto around town when the traffic is slooooow, auto for cruising on duals and motorways with the option to "kick down" in different stages using the throttle pedal or drop a couple of cogs using the paddles. Want to have some fun ?. . .Steptronic or paddles in Sport mode giving you the choice to change when you want with the back up of not cooking the engine.. And as far as ergonomics are concerned, I think BMW got it right when they chose the current left and right paddle system always mounted near your hands on the wheel, both operating with the same "logic" as opposed to the "cheaper " "fixed" plates of alloy which stay in situ on the column on many high performance cars . . . .

PS I like toys in my cars, and SMG is a lot of fun to play with . . . . .

Delboy :)

I thought SMG was dropped for the facelift?
 
Glad you gus posted before me. I was begining to think I was going mad. Sounded just the same as my standard steptronic auto with paddle shifts on the wheel :)
 
mikedav said:
Caddyshk, respect your difference of opinion on the gearbox. But if you don't mind, I'd like to critic the comments from the 'expert who has spoken to M.M'. His comments smack of someone trying to justify his choice in the light of overwhelming contradictory evidence...using information from the man who designed the software (!!!). As if he is going to admit 'Yup, in truth our system is balls, the Siemens set up (which is SMG II) nailed it, buy that'. SSG might be ok on it's own, but better than SMG II it is not.

The M Division fitted the Siemens set up to M E46s for a reason...if he were right, why is the CSL SMG II? Why was SSG dropped?

The system in the 325i and 330i is more intelligent, and better in everyday use because of the ergonomics.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but most reports agree it's not. Here is one.

with the M3 you have to use both hands for shifting, personally I prefer to only use my right hand only for shifting. Sometimes I use my left hand for both up and downshifts when my right hand is occupied with something else.

Hmmm. What exactly is he doing with his other hand while driving....

And sometimes when cruising I prefer to use the stick.

SMG II has one too. And it's much nicer to use with a great snick-snick action to it.

Every summer I go to the Nurburgring in Germany to race on the track, and my experience there tells me that it is a clear benefit that the shifters follows the steering wheel.

Except you shouldn't be changing gear mid corner really. But SMG II is the same.

It is also a clear benefit that the gearbox shifts automatically to the next gear when hitting the rev limiter. Then you can focus on driving instead of shifting during acceleration.

For me, knowing the correct point at which to change gear is part of driving?

The M3 does not have this feature, while the Formula 1 cars does !

An F1 car also doesn't have a reverse gear. This is relevant why?

Most people believe the M3 system shifts faster, but it does not.

If you don't want a clutch, I'd argue the steptronic auto is much more accomplished and gives the kind of buyer looking at SSG a better car - step tronic changes when you fancy it, silky smooth auto when you don't. If SMG II had been offered on the Z4, I would whole heartedly recommend it. If you can, try an E46 M3 with SMG II to see what I am getting at

:)
I drove both - the SSG is a compromise - The SMG II is (was) a far better system and rev matches on downshifts along with quicker uptake IMO. If the OP is interested in this option, IMO it beats a step automatic every-time - provided you know the downsides...
 
my smg hasnt given me trouble. i DID just have to replace the clutch actuator - the clutch was slipping a little. now it shifts like brand new.

i use auto for typical cruising. and use manual for freeway driving or when im with friends (to show off)


my next car shall have a 6/7 speed manual tranny though.
 
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